Justicar becomes Justicar question

So I could just go look this up on the WW website, but it seems to be down, so I'll ask here: I recently put together a Gangrel vote deck that has been doing pretty well (totally bit off the one that Luiz Mello won with a few weeks back, and of course, Jay Krystoff's "Can I Borrow that Jacket?") in practice, but I need to make sure I'm not cheating. So Chandler is currently Gangrel Justicar. He then calls a Gangrel Justicar, declaring himself Gangrel Justicar. He has a whole bunch of votes in favor. Vote passes (and Cryptic Rider is played...). He now is Gangrel Justicar. Again. This works, right? With no, like, weird lag or contestation or anything? Thanks, -Peter Peter D Bakija pd...@lightlink.com http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6/vtes.html "Find hungry samurai." -The Old Man

On Mar 16, 1:50 pm, Peter D Bakija <p...@lightlink.com> wrote: > So I could just go look this up on the WW website, but it seems to be > down, so I'll ask here: > > I recently put together a Gangrel vote deck that has been doing pretty > well (totally bit off the one that Luiz Mello won with a few weeks back, > and of course, Jay Krystoff's "Can I Borrow that Jacket?") in practice, > but I need to make sure I'm not cheating. > > So Chandler is currently Gangrel Justicar. He then calls a Gangrel > Justicar, declaring himself Gangrel Justicar. He has a whole bunch of > votes in favor. Vote passes (and Cryptic Rider is played...). He now is > Gangrel Justicar. Again. This works, right? With no, like, weird lag or > contestation or anything? > > Thanks, > -Peter > > Peter D Bakija > p...@lightlink.comhttp://www.lightlink.com/pdb6/vtes.html > > "Find hungry samurai." > -The Old Man As soon as the vote is successful, his new title gain replaces his old title. So you still only have 1 Gangrel Justicar.

Peter D Bakija wrote: > So I could just go look this up on the WW website, but it seems to be > down, so I'll ask here: > > I recently put together a Gangrel vote deck that has been doing pretty > well (totally bit off the one that Luiz Mello won with a few weeks back, > and of course, Jay Krystoff's "Can I Borrow that Jacket?") in practice, > but I need to make sure I'm not cheating. > > So Chandler is currently Gangrel Justicar. He then calls a Gangrel > Justicar, declaring himself Gangrel Justicar. He has a whole bunch of > votes in favor. Vote passes (and Cryptic Rider is played...). He now is > Gangrel Justicar. Again. This works, right? With no, like, weird lag or > contestation or anything? You could read one of the little paper rulebooks if the website is down. I know I have one at my desk. :) (but not at my desk at work...maybe I should bring one in). If a vampire gains a title, they lose any title they previously had. So as soon as Chandler becomes Justicar2, he is no longer Justicar1. Without a Justicar1 title to contest with, there is no weird contesty stuff. (Unlike if you made some other Gangrel the Justicar, in which case during your next untap phase one would yield, and the other one would pay to contest, and then during the untap phase after _that_, the non-yielder would get his title). -- salem (replace 'hotmail' with 'yahoo' to email)

On Mar 16, 11:31 pm, Salem <salem_christ....@hotmail.com> wrote: > Peter D Bakija wrote: > > > So Chandler is currently Gangrel Justicar. He then calls a Gangrel > > Justicar, declaring himself Gangrel Justicar. He has a whole bunch of > > votes in favor. Vote passes (and Cryptic Rider is played...). He now is > > Gangrel Justicar. Again. This works, right? With no, like, weird lag or > > contestation or anything? > Funnily enough, this exact same issue happened with me on Friday, except it was with Felicia Mostrom in an Alastor deck. Here's LSJ's comment on the same matter (that I dug up for our local newsgroup). Found here: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/586aca1108e82bd4 "A single vampire cannot contest a title with himself - he'd lose the old title as soon as he gained the (second copy of the same) new title." I actually have another slightly more complicated but interesting nonetheless question. Scenario: Maxwell calls a vote and becomes the Brujah Justicar. Later in the game (a few rounds later) Tyler successfully calls and passes another Brujah Justicar vote so that she can become justicar. The titles then contest. In the same round, Maxwell uses his text to become Prince of Chicago (which he probably should've done first, but maybe the player was hoping to cycle into a kine or something), which he does successfully. Now according to Section 10 of the Rulebook: "If a vampire with a contested title (see Contested Titles, sec. 4.2) gains a title, he immediately yields the contested title." So, since Tyler is no longer contesting the title with anyone, during the next untap phase she should automatically become the Justicar, without paying for contestation or waiting an extra turn or anything, right? At least, that's my understanding of the rules.

On Mar 16, 5:31 pm, Salem <salem_christ....@hotmail.com> wrote: > You could read one of the little paper rulebooks if the website is down. > I know I have one at my desk. :) (but not at my desk at work...maybe I > should bring one in). Heh. Yeah, I considered that, too. But the other room was just *sooo* far away... Thanks for the answers, everyone. That is what I figured, but there is always the outside possibility that there was some weird ruling somewhere I missed out on. -Peter

The Name Forgotten wrote: > Scenario: Maxwell calls a vote and becomes the Brujah Justicar. Later > in the game (a few rounds later) Tyler successfully calls and passes > another Brujah Justicar vote so that she can become justicar. The > titles then contest. In the same round, Maxwell uses his text to > become Prince of Chicago (which he probably should've done first, but > maybe the player was hoping to cycle into a kine or something), which > he does successfully. Now according to Section 10 of the Rulebook: > > "If a vampire with a contested title (see Contested Titles, sec. 4.2) > gains a title, he immediately yields the contested title." > > So, since Tyler is no longer contesting the title with anyone, during > the next untap phase she should automatically become the Justicar, > without paying for contestation or waiting an extra turn or anything, > right? At least, that's my understanding of the rules. Right.

On Mar 16, 3:50 pm, Peter D Bakija <p...@lightlink.com> wrote: > So I could just go look this up on the WW website, but it seems to be > down, so I'll ask here: > > I recently put together a Gangrel vote deck that has been doing pretty > well (totally bit off the one that Luiz Mello won with a few weeks back, > and of course, Jay Krystoff's "Can I Borrow that Jacket?") in practice, > but I need to make sure I'm not cheating. > > So Chandler is currently Gangrel Justicar. He then calls a Gangrel > Justicar, declaring himself Gangrel Justicar. He has a whole bunch of > votes in favor. Vote passes (and Cryptic Rider is played...). He now is > Gangrel Justicar. Again. This works, right? With no, like, weird lag or > contestation or anything? Oh, you have me remembering the good old times with that deck. After I re-justicar my Justicar followed by Cryptic Rider, I like an auto- passing Praxis Seizure (to fight for vote control) or an unexpected Justicar Retribution to blow up Arika. enjoy, Jay

In article <c077e3e3-1ee1-4590...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, jaykr...@gmail.com wrote: > Oh, you have me remembering the good old times with that deck. After > I re-justicar my Justicar followed by Cryptic Rider, I like an auto- > passing Praxis Seizure (to fight for vote control) or an unexpected > Justicar Retribution to blow up Arika. Yeah, that is totally some good tech--usually, I use the "Justicar to become Justicar +Cryptic" to get another Praxis through. But that Justicar Retribution would be freaking hysterical. I also find that Closed Sessions are really good in the current environment (lots of non Camarilla votes floating around), but those don't help you get the leg up with Praxis Seizures, however. [ quoted text not captured ]