Psyche! vs. Form of vist...LSJ?

If an acting vampire plays Form of Mist(superior)to end a combat and the blocking minion plays Psyche! (superior)in respone to the end of combat what happens? Does Psyche! start a new combat or does the acting minion get to continue on with the original action at +1 stealth? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

In article <8d86oo$eii$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, j...@columbus.rr.com writes >If an acting vampire plays Form of Mist(superior)to end a combat and >the blocking minion plays Psyche! (superior)in respone to the end of >combat what happens? Does Psyche! start a new combat or does the >acting minion get to continue on with the original action at +1 stealth? Psyche aborts the continue action effect, and goes into a new combat. -- James Coupe (Prince of Mercia, England) Vampire: Elder Kindred Network http://madnessnetwork.hexagon.net http://www.zephyr.org.uk

In article <8d86oo$eii$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, j...@columbus.rr.com wrote: > If an acting vampire plays Form of Mist(superior)to end a combat and > the blocking minion plays Psyche! (superior)in respone to the end of > combat what happens? Does Psyche! start a new combat or does the > acting minion get to continue on with the original action at +1 stealth? > New combat begins and the action is blocked, it does not continue after combat. However he can play another Form of Mist. [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <8d9pp0$2ta$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, mr_b...@my-deja.com writes >However he can play another Form of Mist. Only at inferior. The superior, because of its stealth modification, is considered to be an action modifier, so only one can be played per action. [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <8d9pp0$2ta$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, mr_b...@my-deja.com wrote: > In article <8d86oo$eii$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, > j...@columbus.rr.com wrote: > > If an acting vampire plays Form of Mist(superior)to end a combat and > > the blocking minion plays Psyche! (superior)in respone to the end of > > combat what happens? Does Psyche! start a new combat or does the > > acting minion get to continue on with the original action at +1 > stealth? > > > > New combat begins and the action is blocked, it does not continue after > combat. However he can play another Form of Mist. but, only to end combat. He cannot attempt to play it at superior to gain another +1 stealth and continue the action. comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr X_Zealot Archon of the Swamp [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <0lUOxACZ...@obeah.demon.co.uk>, James Coupe <ve...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > In article <8d86oo$eii$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, j...@columbus.rr.com writes > >If an acting vampire plays Form of Mist(superior)to end a combat and > >the blocking minion plays Psyche! (superior)in respone to the end of > >combat what happens? Does Psyche! start a new combat or does the > >acting minion get to continue on with the original action at +1 stealth? > > Psyche aborts the continue action effect, and goes into a new combat. Correct. Item from the searchable rulings list: Form of Mist - Combat (pro) * Any effect that starts a new combat after the combat that was ended by superior Form of Mist will nullify the "continue action" effect. This includes Psyche (superior), Fast Reaction, and Hidden Lurker. [LSJ 09-JAN-1998] -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules: http://www.geocities.com/vtesrep [ quoted text not captured ]

X_Ze...@email.msn.com wrote: > mr_b...@my-deja.com wrote: > > j...@columbus.rr.com wrote: > > > If an acting vampire plays Form of Mist(superior)to end a combat and > > > the blocking minion plays Psyche! (superior)in respone to the end of > > > combat what happens? Does Psyche! start a new combat or does the > > > acting minion get to continue on with the original action at +1 > > stealth? > > > > > > > New combat begins and the action is blocked, it does not continue > after > > combat. However he can play another Form of Mist. > > but, only to end combat. He cannot attempt to play it at superior to > gain another +1 stealth and continue the action. That should say "only to Dodge". It is true that an acting minion cannot play Form of Mist at superior twice in one action, since Form of Mist at superior counts as an action modifier. [RTR 23-JUN-1998] [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <8deu3d$dek$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > In article <0lUOxACZ...@obeah.demon.co.uk>, > James Coupe <ve...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > > In article <8d86oo$eii$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, j...@columbus.rr.com writes > > >If an acting vampire plays Form of Mist(superior)to end a combat and > > >the blocking minion plays Psyche! (superior)in respone to the end of > > >combat what happens? Does Psyche! start a new combat or does the > > >acting minion get to continue on with the original action at +1 > stealth? > > > > Psyche aborts the continue action effect, and goes into a new combat. > > Correct. Item from the searchable rulings list: > > Form of Mist - Combat (pro) > * Any effect that starts a new combat after the combat that was > ended by superior Form of Mist will nullify the "continue action" > effect. This includes Psyche (superior), Fast Reaction, and > Hidden Lurker. [LSJ 09-JAN-1998] Just out of curiosity: why do es a new combat nullify the "continue action" effect? Why doesn't the action resume when the second combat is finished? Any reason behind this? Carl [ quoted text not captured ]

prea...@utanet.at wrote: > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > Form of Mist - Combat (pro) > > * Any effect that starts a new combat after the combat that was > > ended by superior Form of Mist will nullify the "continue > > action" effect. This includes Psyche (superior), Fast > > Reaction, and Hidden Lurker. [LSJ 09-JAN-1998] > > Just out of curiosity: why does a new combat nullify the "continue > action" effect? Why doesn't the action resume when the second combat > is finished? Any reason behind this? The [ruling] is not particularly obvious, but this is the [ruling] we were most comfortable with, given that all of the proposed answers were something of a stretch. [TOM 23-MAY-1995] http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=103049720 -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules: http://www.geocities.com/vtesrep [ quoted text not captured ]

Along the same lines, if superior Form of Mist is played is the action still considered blocked? Can Cat's Guidance be played after sup. Form of Mist ends combat? --- Eric Pettersen pett "at" cgl "dot" ucsf "dot" edu (NeXTmail capable)

pe...@address.is.in.sig (Eric Pettersen) wrote: > Along the same lines, if superior Form of Mist is played is the action > still considered blocked? Can Cat's Guidance be played after sup. Form > of Mist ends combat? Yes. Cats' Guidance doesn't care if the action thinks it is blocked - its only restriction is that it be used after the reacting vampire blocks. [ quoted text not captured ]