Dark Sovereigns List!

Ok, this is a wierd ass list. I don't know where these cards came from. I found a complete list on someone's homepage that included these cards along with all of the basic set. The list came from the card list generator at www.itis.com. I tested it, and all of these cards are apparently in the database, although no one on the mailing list nor the newsgroup nor anyone from WotC has mentioned anything about a list being released. Shrug. Anyway, there are some interesting things. Ravnos vampires are under the "CROSS" heading for some reason. All non-vampire cards are listed as political actions, which is obviously false. Also, all the cards on the list from the basic set had everything but the card text listed next to the entry, including the vampires, while there seems to be no info in the database on the DS cards. Each clan got 4 new vampires, except Toreador who got 5; my friend pointed out that there are only 14 Toreadors in basic set....there are only 10 vampires in the new clans. Anyway, assuming this list is real, tons of cool sounding stuff. Can't wait to get it. - Johnny p.s. I removed all the original cards from the list myself, assuming what was left would be the DS cards. List of Dark Sovereigns Cards? ------------------------------ Brujah Constanza Vinti Brujah Vampire Donal O'Connor Brujah Vampire Gwendolyn Brujah Vampire Volker, The Puppet Prince Brujah Vampire Caitiff Antoinette DuChamp Caitiff Vampire Dan Murdock Caitiff Vampire Franciscus Caitiff Vampire Magdelena Schaefer Caitiff Vampire Gangrel Chandler Hungerford Gangrel Vampire Ingrid Rossler Gangrel Vampire Katarina Gangrel Vampire Stanislava Gangrel Vampire Malkavian Gregor Anderssen Malkavian Vampire Leandro Malkavian Vampire Victoria Malkavian Vampire Z e Malkavian Vampire Nosferatu Amadeo Nosferatu Vampire Daliyah Nosferatu Vampire Harrod Nosferatu Vampire Nikolaus Vermeulen Nosferatu Vampire Toreador Alexandra Toreador Vampire Francois Villon Toreador Vampire Klaus van der Veken Toreador Vampire Mariana Gilbert Toreador Vampire Sigrid Bekker Toreador Vampire Tremere Blythe Candeleria Tremere Vampire Etrius Tremere Vampire Javier Montoya Tremere Vampire Rebekka, Chantry Elder of Munich Tremere Vampire Ventrue Arika Ventrue Vampire Queen Anne Ventrue Vampire Ranjan Rishi, Camarilla Scholar Ventrue Vampire Wilhelm Waldburg Ventrue Vampire CROSS Andrei Puxon CROSS Vampire Joaquina Amaya CROSS Vampire Darius Styx CROSS Vampire Kostantin, Baro of the Caravan CROSS Vampire Natalia CROSS Vampire Salbatore Bokkengro CROSS Vampire Sasha Miklos CROSS Vampire Tereza Rostas CROSS Vampire Tsigane CROSS Vampire Vaclav Petalengro CROSS Vampire GIOVAN Carlotta Giovanni GIOVAN Vampire Cristofero Giovanni GIOVAN Vampire Enzo Giovanni, Pentex Board of Directors GIOVAN Vampire Francesca Giovanni GIOVAN Vampire Gaspare Giovanni GIOVAN Vampire Gloria Giovanni GIOVAN Vampire Regina Giovanni, The Right Hand of Augustus GIOVAN Vampire Rudolpho Giovanni GIOVAN Vampire Stefan Giovanni GIOVAN Vampire Vittorio Giovanni GIOVAN Vampire Other Acquired Ventrue Assets Action/Political Aire of Elation Action/Political Anathema Action/Political Antediluvian Awakening Action/Political Apparition Action/Political Artistically Inept Action/Political Banishment Action/Political Blessing of Durga Syn Action/Political Brujah Debate Action/Political Bureaucratic Overload Action/Political Burning Wrath Action/Political Chimerstry Action/Political Clan Loyalty Action/Political Closed Session Action/Political Command of the Harpies Action/Political Compel the Spirit Action/Political Conflict of Interests Action/Political Corpse Minion Action/Political Dartmoor, England Action/Political Destructive Secrets Action/Political Elysium: The Palace of Versailles Action/Political Eyes of the Dead Action/Political Faithful Servant Action/Political Far Fatuus Action/Political Fata Morgana Action/Political Fear of Mekhet Action/Political Force of Will Action/Political Forest of Shadows Action/Political Fortune Teller Action/Political Fortune Teller Shop Action/Political Gangrel Revel Action/Political Giovanni Acceptance Action/Political Giovanni Discrimination Action/Political Goodnight, Sweet Prince Action/Political Guiseppe, Gravedigger Action/Political Heidelburg Castle, Germany Action/Political Horrid Reality Action/Political Horrific Countenance Action/Political Hunt Club, The Action/Political Ignis Fatuus Action/Political Inbase Discotek, Frankfurt Action/Political Incriminating Videotape Action/Political Inveraray, Scotland Action/Political Jar the Soul Action/Political Judgment: Camarilla Segregation Action/Political Judgment: Death to the Brujah! Action/Political Kindred Coercion Action/Political Legacy of Power Action/Political Legendary Vampire Action/Political Leonardo, Mortician Action/Political London Evening Star, Tabloid Newspaper Action/Political Louvre, Paris, The Action/Political Madness of the Bard Action/Political Malkavian Derangement: Alternate Personality Action/Political Malkavian Seven Miseries, The Action/Political Mausoleum, Venice, The Action/Political Morgue Hunting Ground Action/Political Necromancy Action/Political Nosferatu Hosting Action/Political Nosferatu Performance Art Action/Political Of Noble Blood Action/Political Order of Hermes Cabal Action/Political Oxford University, England Action/Political Palatial Estate Action/Political Park Hunting Ground Action/Political Pentex Subversion Action/Political Pere Lachaise, France Action/Political Playing for Keeps Action/Political Possession Action/Political Powerbase: Berlin Action/Political Powerbase: Rome Action/Political Praxis Seizure: Amsterdam Action/Political Praxis Seizure: Barcelona Action/Political Praxis Seizure: Berlin Action/Political Praxis Seizure: Brussels Action/Political Praxis Seizure: Dublin Action/Political Praxis Seizure: Frankfure Action/Political Praxis Seizure: Geneva Action/Political Praxis Seizure: Glasgow Action/Political Praxis Seizure: London Action/Political Praxis Seizure: Paris Action/Political Praxis Seizure: Rome Action/Political Praxis Seizure: Stockholm Action/Political Praxis Seizure: Venice Action/Political Precognizant Mobility Action/Political Ravnos Acceptance Action/Political Ravnos Cache Action/Political Release of the Shackled Soul Action/Political Riposte Action/Political Rom Gypsy Action/Political Ruins of Villars Abbey, Belgium Action/Political Rutor's Hand Action/Political Sacre Cour Cathedral, France Action/Political Sacrifical Lamb Action/Political Scapelli, the Family "Mechanic" Action/Political Secure Haven Action/Political Sensory Deprivation Action/Political Shackles of Enkidu Action/Political Shepherd's Innocence Action/Political Soul Stealing Action/Political Spectral Divination Action/Political Spiritual Intervention Action/Political Spiritual Protector Action/Political Strained Vitae Supply Action/Political Tara, The Hollow One (Mage) Action/Political Thoughts Betrayed Action/Political Toreador Grand Ball Action/Political Torment the Soul Action/Political Tradition Upheld Action/Political Treatment, The Action/Political Tremere Convocation Action/Political Trick of Danya, The Action/Political Triole's Revenge Action/Political Veiled Sight Action/Political Ventrue Directorate Assembly Action/Political Vial of Elder Vitae Action/Political Vial of Garou Blood Action/Political Vial of Methuselah Vitae Action/Political Wasserschloss Anif, Austria Action/Political Werewolf Pack Action/Political Whispers of the Nictuku Action/Political Wrath of the Inner Circle Action/Political Zombie Action/Political

seems strange, because just last night I read a posting that sounded official saying that DS would contain the Followers of Set and the Ravnos and not the Cross or the Giovanni. Who can clear this up? ... Chick_Lewis

Is this correct? Tom? (I ask because I bought a box, as did a friend of mine, and we're each missing the same two vampires--Dan Murdock the alleged Caitiff and Mariana Gilbert the alleged Toreador--other than that we each received a full set of vampires. I wouldn't ask except that there is an extra Toreador listed anyway, and only having 3 caitiff instead of 4 is not a stretch...) The list of regular cards seemed right (though who misspelled Troile in "Triole's Revenge"? <grin>)--the only ones I was missing, Art had.... Looks good, WotC...please delay the next expansion, though, until my visa bill recovers :-) -c -- _____ Colin Bunnell "Running over the same old ground, \ __/_ cjbu...@unix.amherst.edu What have we found? \\ / http://www.amherst.edu/~cjbunnel/ The same old fears. \/ Wish you were here." -PF

Mariana Gilbert and Dan Murdock are promotional cards from the VTES novels, not cards from Dark Sovereigns. The "CROSS" clan is actually Ravnos, whose symbol sort of resembles a cross. Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

In article <49oemc$n...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) writes: >Mariana Gilbert and Dan Murdock are promotional cards from the VTES >novels, not cards from Dark Sovereigns. The "CROSS" clan is actually >Ravnos, whose symbol sort of resembles a cross. Do you have to buy the novels to get these two? Are the novels out yet? Has anyone seen these vampires? I doubt I would spend lots of $ just to get a caitiff, but you never know. If the books are out, has anyone read them, and are they any good? ~Biomechanoid

<<Do you have to buy the novels to get these two? Are the novels out yet? Has anyone seen these vampires? I doubt I would spend lots of $ just to get a caitiff, but you never know. If the books are out, has anyone read them, and are they any good? ~Biomechanoid>> I read the one that Dan Murdock is in. It is called On A Darkling Plain, or something. It was really cool. And Dan is a cool card. A three blood Caitiff, auspex and obfuscate. Dan takes an action to let you go through your library, find Giant's Blood and bring it to your hand.

> Chick...@msn.com (Chick Lewis) writes: [ quoted text not captured ] Actually, the Ravnos are represented by a cross symbol, and the Giovanni by an illuminated G. Without some research, it was unclear which clan the cross symbol represented, but the Master Fortune Teller Shop require the cross symbol, and gives tap to give any Ravnos +1 Stealth... The Giovanni were easy, they are all surnamed Giovanni. Lance

In article <49oemc$n...@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, Thomas R Wylie <aa...@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote: > >Mariana Gilbert and Dan Murdock are promotional cards from the VTES >novels, not cards from Dark Sovereigns. The "CROSS" clan is actually >Ravnos, whose symbol sort of resembles a cross. > > >Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for >aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc. > I hope you are planning to release these in a new expansion or something, as opposed to making those of us who would like to see the cards buy a book that we would probably never read and wouldn't get off the shelves if it weren't for the card attached.

In article <49qtv1$7...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, abdu...@aol.com (AbdulaTB) writes: >I read the one that Dan Murdock is in. It is called On A Darkling Plain, >or something. It was really cool. And Dan is a cool card. A three blood >Caitiff, auspex and obfuscate. Dan takes an action to let you go through >your library, find Giant's Blood and bring it to your hand. Is this for real???? How much did the book cost?

I am missing the same two vampires from my box...

Hi Biomech, On 2 Dec 1995, Biomech8 wrote: > In article <49oemc$n...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R > Wylie) writes: > > >Mariana Gilbert and Dan Murdock are promotional cards from the VTES > >novels, not cards from Dark Sovereigns. The "CROSS" clan is actually > >Ravnos, whose symbol sort of resembles a cross. > > Do you have to buy the novels to get these two? Are the novels out yet? > Has anyone seen these vampires? I doubt I would spend lots of $ just to > get a caitiff, but you never know. If the books are out, has anyone read > them, and are they any good? > Actually, I have read "On a Darkling Plain", a WW / WOC book that included a coupon for a V:TES card. I haven't recieved my card yet, but Dan Murdock was a significant character in the story, so it will probably be him. Judging from the story, he will be a catiff with potence and fortitude. The book itself was excellent, much better than house of secrets (which was OK). It is about a struggle between two methuselahs, as told through the eyes of Elliot Sinclair, our two hand damage Toreador, and Dan Murdock, a catiff. I wouldn't spend five bucks plus two stamps just to get Dan Murdock, buff catiff, but if you are interested in the white wolf backgrounds, you will find the story worth while. I don't know the name of the book which gives you the other card, I haven't spotted it in any of my favorite bookstores yet.... Algustas *****From this we learn that a wise prince sees to it that never, in order to attack someone, does he become the ally of a prince more powerful than himself, except when necessity forces him, as I said above. If you win, you are the powerful kings prisoner, and wise princes avoid as much they can being in other men's power.***** Machiavelli, the Prince

Before I could do anything to stop it, Colin Bunnell wrote: > Looks good, WotC...please delay the next expansion, though, until > my visa bill recovers :-) Don't say that, even in jest! DS took *way* too long to come out. If Magic expansions had taken this long, it might have died on the vine. Better to hope they ship *lots* of expansions with an even frequency, and that they print enough of them that they're still available when your VISA bill recovers. :) -- "It's at the end of his arm," thought Frito, nervously | Brian shaking it, "it's got to be a hand." | Wilson

Those two vampires are going to be promotional cards like arena was. Olethors

>Is this for real???? How much did the book cost? I can verify that Dan Murdock is for real (a three blood Caitiff/ aus,obs -- Special ability - "Dan may take an action to allow you to go through you library, find Giant's Blood and take it into your hand. Reshuffle afterwards and discard to your maximum hand size.) Cool vampire, no? As to the price of the book, it sells for $5.99 at Borders books. (Anyone remember when paperbacks cost about half this?). Unlike the Magic novels, the Vampire novels have been good, especially On A Darkling Plain. Mike McKinnon Malkavian Methusela

Brian Wilson (bwi...@gate.net) wrote: : Before I could do anything to stop it, Colin Bunnell wrote: : > Looks good, WotC...please delay the next expansion, though, until : > my visa bill recovers :-) : Don't say that, even in jest! DS took *way* too long to come out. If : Magic expansions had taken this long, it might have died on the vine. : Better to hope they ship *lots* of expansions with an even frequency, and : that they print enough of them that they're still available when your : VISA bill recovers. :) NO! He's right. Think about it. Jyhad made it this far without DS, it can make it with, say, 2 expansions a year max. I hear all the time about people dropping out of Magic, sales slowing, etc., and I can only think it's because WotC has exploded the Magic Balloon. One expansion every six months [which should give him plenty of time to recover] is plenty. Just because it took over a year for the first expansion doesn't mean they need to make it up by rushing the ones after! -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | "What is a man without the beasts? If the beasts were gone, | | man would die from a great loneliness of spirit." | | "Confuse, annoy, and dee-STROY!!" Call me "Nicole" and I | | npu...@tiger.lsu.edu -- Jet...@aol.com will have to kill you. | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Before I could do anything to stop it, Nicole Janine Purvis wrote: > > NO! He's right. Think about it. Jyhad made it this far without DS, it > can make it with, say, 2 expansions a year max. I hear all the time about > people dropping out of Magic, sales slowing, etc., and I can only think > it's because WotC has exploded the Magic Balloon. One expansion every six > months [which should give him plenty of time to recover] is plenty. Just > because it took over a year for the first expansion doesn't mean they > need to make it up by rushing the ones after! Well, your mileage may vary. My play group dissolved after a while, many of us moving on to Shadowfist or other games. Some players even went back to Magic. Sure, Magic may kick expansions out too fast, but Jyhad could have used this transfusion a lot sooner. I don't know how many of our players will come *back* to Jyhad, but I know that many of them would have stayed with it with an influx of new cards. CCG's *need* new cards periodically to stay interesting. [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <4a7dt4$s...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> curt...@aol.com (CurtAdams) writes: >My group has found that Jyhad remains interesting after a year and some >months, without transfusions. Theoretically, a CCG can have plenty of >variety to support indefinite play, as in classic games like chess and Go, >without expansions. Whether that is actually the case with any existing >game is an open question. Interestingly, Chess, the game with more pieces among the two, has got quite a few variants, while Go, with only 1 kind of piece for each player (a piece IS a piece IS a piece), hasn't got any variants I've heard about (except Othello?). According to CCG design theory, Go players must be bored to hell playing a one-piece, hence no-variety game for thousands of years? What about an expansion for Go? More pieces, and some kick-butt rares for sure! This will certainly open up new realms of strategies in that old, boring game! Go piece ideas: Displacement Rare Cost: $4 (shaped like an out-reaching elbow) effect: play on an opponent's piece. Opponent's piece is captured and replaced by Displacement. Atomic Bomb Rare Cost: $20 (shaped like a mushroom) effect: play in any space. All pieces in a 7 space radius of either side are captured. :-) (Off-topic article; sorry if you're annoyed.) -- "Live Life with Heart." Alan Kwan kw...@cs.cornell.edu

bwi...@gate.net (Brian Wilson) writes: >Well, your mileage may vary. My play group dissolved after a while, many >of us moving on to Shadowfist or other games. Some players even went back >to Magic. Sure, Magic may kick expansions out too fast, but Jyhad could >have used this transfusion a lot sooner. I don't know how many of our >players will come *back* to Jyhad, but I know that many of them would >have stayed with it with an influx of new cards. CCG's *need* new cards >periodically to stay interesting. My group has found that Jyhad remains interesting after a year and some months, without transfusions. Theoretically, a CCG can have plenty of variety to support indefinite play, as in classic games like chess and Go, without expansions. Whether that is actually the case with any existing game is an open question. Curt Adams (curt...@aol.com)

Before I could do anything to stop it, CurtAdams wrote: > My group has found that Jyhad remains interesting after a year and some > months, without transfusions. Theoretically, a CCG can have plenty of > variety to support indefinite play, as in classic games like chess and Go, > without expansions. Whether that is actually the case with any existing > game is an open question. Can I join your group then? :) [ quoted text not captured ]

Cool - you're the first person I've ever seen (besides myself) who plays both go and jyhad :) I find myself using go strategy often when playing jyhad - like sacrificing some vampire to make some other gain. -James

3j...@qlink.queensu.ca (Zacour James) writes: [ quoted text not captured ] >-James I think you should look around more carefully. Several of the people from Rec.games.go are here and some people from IGS are here also. I think those who play go, find time for a less seriousand complicated more playful strategy game in their lives. JustMHO though. Cool. More Jyhad, more Go. less work. job, what job, Am I at work? Stu -- The Let's Try This Players dsa...@acme.gatech.edu - DramaTech's Premiere Improvisational Theatre Troupe Charles Thomas Loflin - Lord High And Mighty Potentate of the Known Universe