{LSJ} Ashur Tablets Q

LSJ, 1. Must you announce the 1+12 (or whatever) cards *as you play* the third Ashur Tablets, or after the as-played window is closed, e.g. when the effect happens? 2. It would seem that the "up to" clarifier, as with all other cards, would allow you to choose zero, or play a third Ashur Tablets with zero cards in your ashheap, and simply gain the 3 pool, but the "Must move..." sentence seems to say that you *must move*..., i.e. you cannot choose zero. Was this just an oversight in wording or are you forced to choose at lesat 1 card, i.e. you cannot play a third Ashur Tablet with an ash heap of zero? Ashur Tablets Master Put this card in play. If you have three copies in play, remove all copies in play (even controlled by other Methuselahs) from the game to gain 3 pool and choose up to thirteen cards from your ash heap. Move one of those cards to your hand and shuffle the others into your library. Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! http://vtesville.myminicity.com/ Please buy my cards! http://shop.ebay.com/kjmergen/m.html

Kevin M. wrote: > LSJ, > > 1. Must you announce the 1+12 (or whatever) cards *as you play* the > third Ashur Tablets, or after the as-played window is closed, > e.g. when the effect happens? Neither. The "when 3 are in play" effect is an effect of the card in play, not of the card being played. Announce play Resolve as-played (Sudden Reversal, &c.) Resolve play (The effect happens: "Put this card in play") Then the card is in play, making three, so: Handle the 3-in-play effect. > 2. It would seem that the "up to" clarifier, as with all other cards, > would allow you to choose zero, or play a third Ashur Tablets with > zero cards in your ashheap, and simply gain the 3 pool, but the > "Must move..." sentence seems to say that you *must move*..., > i.e. you cannot choose zero. Was this just an oversight in wording > or are you forced to choose at lesat 1 card, i.e. you cannot play > a third Ashur Tablet with an ash heap of zero? No oversight. 1) Effects a card might produce from being in play do not hinder the play of the card, even if the in-play effect will lack a target. 2) Once there are three in play, the effect happens, targets or no. It is not an optional effect. [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] Your 1) would seem to indicate that you could, fr.ex. play a card like Toreador Grand Ball with only 1 Toreador in-play (to facilitate the playing of the card in the first place) even though you can't properly play the card to resloution, right? Since the effect the card might produce -- choose 2 Toreador, to... -- isn't an issue at the time you play the card, just like how you can play AT with an empty ash heap. And your 2) saying 'targets or no' seems to confirm this, right? Also, Border Skirmish with at least one opponent with a 0-card hand. Or is it that AT's "...up to..." allows you to play a 3rd AT with an ashheap of 0 cards, since 0 is up to 13, whereas TBG specifies two and only two? Or, if I'm totally wrong, could you explain in a few sentences what I'm getting wrong? Thanks. [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] No. Choosing two Toreadors is an effect of playing the card. You don't get to choose any two Toreador willy-nilly whenever you like while the card is in play. > Since the effect the card might > produce -- choose 2 Toreador, to... -- isn't an issue at the time you > play the card, It is. > just like how you can play AT with an empty ash heap. > And your 2) saying 'targets or no' seems to confirm this, right? No. > Also, Border Skirmish with at least one opponent with a 0-card hand. Border Skirmish is never in play. All of its effects are from being played. [ quoted text not captured ]