Q: first strike v. dodge

How does first strike interact with dodge? I would guess that it would beat a dodge (inflict damage before the dodge resolves) , but I could see it going either way.

gaus...@uiuc.edu (David Gausebeck) writes: [ quoted text not captured ] Dodge beats first strike (Section 8.3 of the rulebook) "Dodge: A "dodge" deals no damage, but it prevents the effect of the opponent's strike that round, even if the opponent's strike was delivered with First Strike." -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | Cats teach us that not http://www.math.sc.edu/cgi-bin/sjohnson/home | everything in nature has Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. | a function.

gaus...@uiuc.edu (David Gausebeck) wrote: >How does first strike interact with dodge? >I would guess that it would beat a dodge (inflict damage before the dodge >resolves) , but I could see it going either way. > As it is currently ruled dodge or S:CE cancels a first strike. Steve Bucy

That's pretty weak. I realize (tons) that this is not Magic:TG but you would think that a certain amount of continuity would occur in the "Deckmaster" games, with an emphasis on definitions being consistent. For example, if First Strike is used in Game A, and is used in Game B, they should be held in close regard. First strike should mean just that, I hit you first before you do anything. "Strike:CE" by definition should be reworded to be "First Strike: Combat Ends" which if done would probably deflate some of the repetition of questions from newer players. The whole timing issues are what killed the game of Magic for me, it would be nice if V:TES could be a bit more cut & dry and avoid that pitfall. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Thu, 24 Oct 1996, Bernard M. Bresnahan wrote: > That's pretty weak. I realize (tons) that this is not Magic:TG but you > would think that a certain amount of continuity would occur in the > "Deckmaster" games, with an emphasis on definitions being consistent. > For example, if First Strike is used in Game A, and is used in Game B, > they should be held in close regard. They are relatively similar. First Strike beats all other "strikes" in Magic, except (now) the effects of flanking. In Jyhad, First Strike beats all normal strikes, except for S:CE and Dodge. > First strike should mean just that, I hit you first before you do > anything. "Strike:CE" by definition should be reworded to be "First > Strike: Combat Ends" which if done would probably deflate some of the > repetition of questions from newer players. Likely true, but we would probably have different questions then (rather than "Does first strike beat S:CE" it would be "Which first strikes go first?" > The whole timing issues are what killed the game of Magic for me, it > would be nice if V:TES could be a bit more cut & dry and avoid that > pitfall. With the exception of some of the newer card effects (which could, I might add, be fixed up quite easily), it is cut and dried. Alexandria's special, The Louvre, Heidelburg Castle, and some others have created timing baggage, but this baggage could easily be avoided by a ruling on timing of such actions. (My own preference is to make all special "tap" abilities only usable when nothing else is resolving, in normal order of precedence (actor, predator/prey/directed target, clockwise around the table), excepting explicit card text.) [Reply-to:sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu] @ The Corrupter - Adrian Lee Sullivan @ GAT/CS/WS R+++* r(+)>++ # Gamer Coffee-Addict Scripter Author # P++ C(+++) USX+ N++ !w @#$ Comments ? sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu $#@ X++ b++(+++) tv(+)> @#$ <http://cslab.uwlax.edu/~sulli_al/jyhad> $#@ e+* PS++@ PE@ z*++?

theCorrupter (adr...@ducat.cs.wisc.edu) wrote: : Magic, except (now) the effects of flanking. In Jyhad, First Strike beats : all normal strikes, except for S:CE and Dodge. We have a nice house rule that says dodge can't beat FS. Which makes sense, coz you never knew what hit ya, so it's hard to dodge in such cases. : > First strike should mean just that, I hit you first before you do : > anything. "Strike:CE" by definition should be reworded to be "First : > Strike: Combat Ends" which if done would probably deflate some of the : > repetition of questions from newer players. I like that idea. : Likely true, but we would probably have different questions then (rather : than "Does first strike beat S:CE" it would be "Which first strikes go : first?" No, all are resolved simultaneously, as per rules. : > The whole timing issues are what killed the game of Magic for me, it : > would be nice if V:TES could be a bit more cut & dry and avoid that : > pitfall. Yeah, Magic games all are won over some timing thing. : With the exception of some of the newer card effects (which could, I might : add, be fixed up quite easily), it is cut and dried. Alexandria's : special, The Louvre, Heidelburg Castle, and some others have created : timing baggage, but this baggage could easily be avoided by a ruling on : timing of such actions. (My own preference is to make all special "tap" : abilities only usable when nothing else is resolving, in normal order of : precedence (actor, predator/prey/directed target, clockwise around the : table), excepting explicit card text.) So what would that solve ? -- //The Doctor. +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | GCS -d+ H++>+++ s:++>+:+ g+ p2 !au a->+++ w++ v+(---) | | C+++>+ UHL++ P?>+ L+ !3 E N++ K- W(---) !M !V po+ | | Y t(+) 5>+ !j R+ G++@ tv+(++) b+>++ D+ B? e+ u+** | | h+* f? !r--- n---- !y+ | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+

dodge and S:CE both cancel a first strike (of course, if the attacker has already declared their strike, there are very few ways in which they can avoid my defenders first strike/aggro damage heheheh) Now dog pack is out they cant even run away!