LSJ -about derange

I play derange on Arika. She is now a Malkavian antitribu. Is she considered a Sabbat vampire now ? does she loose her title until the card is removed ? Providing the only vampire left on Arika's side is in torpor, can she move the derange card to him ? When a prince suffers derange, i guess he can't use Trafition cards anymore -correct ? We are only two Meth remaining in the game, and I play Malk-anti only. Is there another way for my prey(dator) to geed rid of multiple derange cards than by ousting me ? thanks keep up the good job reyda

In article <8s1628$30n6$1...@news6.isdnet.net>, "Reyda" <re...@noos.fr> wrote: > I play derange on Arika. She is now a Malkavian antitribu. Is she > considered a Sabbat vampire now ? Yes. > does she loose her title until the card is removed ? Yes. > Providing the only vampire left on Arika's side is in torpor, > can she move the derange card to him ? Yes. > When a prince suffers derange, i guess he can't > use Trafition cards anymore -correct ? Correct. > We are only two Meth remaining in the game, and I play > Malk-anti only. Is there another way for my prey(dator) > to get rid of multiple derange cards than by ousting me ? You can't ever get rid of the card without the person who has the Deranged vampire being ousted, or the Deranged vampire being burned. The Deranged vampire may move it to any non-Deranged non-Malkavian Antitribu vampire. Once all of the vampires in the game are Malkavian Antitribu, the card may not be moved or removed. Carpe Noctem. Lasombra http://members.tripod.com/~Lasombra Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Reyda wrote: > > I play derange on Arika. She is now a Malkavian antitribu. Is she considered > a Sabbat vampire now ? does she loose her title until the card is removed ? Yes. * If a vampire changes Clans and/or Sects, it retains all other Characteristics it had before the switch. EXCEPTIONS: Sect (Camarilla/Non-Camarilla) is changed to the new Clan's sect. Clan-based capacity (e.g., from a Seized Praxis) is removed (or added) based on the new clan. [RTR 19960708] If a vampire with a title changes clans or sects (by means of Clan Impersonation, for example) to a clan or sect inappropriate for his title, he loses the benefit of the title until his clan or sect changes appropriately. [10] > Providing the only vampire left on Arika's side is in torpor, can she move > the derange card to him ? When a prince suffers derange, i guess he can't Yes. The target need not be ready (although the acting vampire must be). > use Trafition cards anymore -correct ? Right [10]. > We are only two Meth remaining in the game, and I play Malk-anti only. Is > there another way for my prey(dator) to geed rid of multiple derange cards > than by ousting me ? Sure. She can burn the target vampires (Usually not a good idea). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

In article <39E45699...@white-wolf.com>, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > Reyda wrote: > > > > I play derange on Arika. She is now a Malkavian antitribu. Is she > > considered > > a Sabbat vampire now ? does she loose her title until the card is > > removed ? > > Yes. > > * If a vampire changes Clans and/or Sects, it retains all other > Characteristics it had before the switch. EXCEPTIONS: Sect > (Camarilla/Non-Camarilla) is changed to the new Clan's sect. > Clan-based > capacity (e.g., from a Seized Praxis) is removed (or added) based on > the new clan. [RTR 19960708] > > If a vampire with a title changes clans or sects (by means of Clan > Impersonation, for example) to a clan or sect inappropriate for his > title, > he loses the benefit of the title until his clan or sect changes > appropriately. [10] So does the Malk Anti who was a Prince, keeps the title for contestion purposes but not referendum? We have played that the title is lost with clan change as a Sabbat Vamp cannot be a Prince. Following, can the Prince regain their votes by moving the Derange? -- I am a Bear of Very Michael F. Tomkins Little Brain, and long m.to...@student.canberra.edu.au words bother me. University of Canberra, Australia. - Winnie the Pooh http://student.canberra.edu.au/~u964617/

"Michael F. Tomkins" wrote: > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > If a vampire with a title changes clans or sects (by means of Clan > > Impersonation, for example) to a clan or sect inappropriate for his title, > > he loses the benefit of the title until his clan or sect changes > > appropriately. [10] > > So does the Malk Anti who was a Prince, keeps the title for contestion > purposes but not referendum? We have played that the title is lost with > clan change as a Sabbat Vamp cannot be a Prince. > Following, can the Prince regain their votes by moving the Derange? He "loses the benefit of the title until his ... sect changes appropriately", as cited. If moving the derange results in his becoming Camarilla again, then, as above, he gets the benefit of the title again. Section [10] goes on to describe how to handle contesting. [ quoted text not captured ]