In a recent game, we ran into a strange situation early in the game
when Dr. Jest was the victim of a Brujah with a Submachine Gun and
two extra attacks. (OUCH!) Anyway, the owner of Dr. Jest did not
even try to rescue him from torpor. Then someone noticed that
while Vampires like Ulugh Beg have abilities that state they don't
work in torpor, Dr. Jest's ability does not have that disclaimer.
We could find nowhere in the rules that said that vampire abilites
automatically fail if the owner is in torpor. So here is the question.
Can Dr. Jest use his ability from torpor?
If not, why not?
(This is being asked on behest of the guy who was Dr. Jest's victim for
the rest of the night... :-) )
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"James R. McClure Jr." <jmcc...@e-mail.kdp-baptist.louisville.edu> wrote:
[ quoted text not captured ]>Peace Gary,
>
>I don't believe that you are correct. Torpored vamps don't get to use
>their special ablilities (no you can't peek at your deck with Tusk).
But Tusk says "while Tusk is ready" as do Tiberius, Ulugh Beg, Grendel,
Anson and Cassandra. However, Dr. Jest, Mariel, Melissa, Sabine & Uriah
(and Gunther and Masika although I don't know why you'd want to untap in
torpor in between turns) do not have this condition on their special
abilities. I'd say that there are enough of both to argue that some can
use their abilities from torpor and some can't.
Gary
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tww...@cs.usask.ca (e Code Control) wrote:
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>>We could find nowhere in the rules that said that vampire abilites
>automatically fail if the owner is in torpor. So here is the question.>Can Dr. Jest use his ability from torpor?>If not, why not?
>
I don't have the card in front of me,... but I believe it says something about
Dr. Jest having to be ready to use his ability. The rules define ready as
"in the controlled region",... therefore not in torpor.
Scott.
James R. McClure Jr. (jmcc...@e-mail.kdp-baptist.louisville.edu) wrote:
>tww...@cs.usask.ca (e Code Control) wrote:>>Can Dr. Jest use his ability from torpor?
: I don't believe that you are correct. Torpored vamps don't get to use
: their special ablilities (no you can't peek at your deck with Tusk).
If it was Tusk, we would have no problem. If you read Tusk's
special ability, it says he can only use it "..if he is ready." ie.
not in torpor.
Well, Dr. Jest has no such disclaimer on his card. So sorry
James, but you are not really helping here. If the answer is no, I would
like a reason that the answer is no.
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Gary Schwartz <schw...@symcom.math.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>tww...@cs.usask.ca (e Code Control) wrote:>>Can Dr. Jest use his ability from torpor?>>Yes, he can.
Peace Gary,
I don't believe that you are correct. Torpored vamps don't get to use
their special ablilities (no you can't peek at your deck with Tusk).
Nil carborundum illigitimi,
James R. McClure Jr.
The OS/2 Apostle
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If a vampire's ability doesn't say the vampire has to be ready to use
the ability, then the ability is active while the vampire is in torpor.
So, for example, Dr. Jest's ability works even while he is in torpor.
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In article <3vb86h$1...@eccdb1.pms.ford.com>, "William S. Westermann" <westerma> says:
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>I don't have the card in front of me,... but I believe it says something about
>Dr. Jest having to be ready to use his ability. The rules define ready as>"in the controlled region",... therefore not in torpor.
I believe torpor is controlled isn't it? Doesn't the rules show only the
region of "just out of the crypt" as being uncontrolled?
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In article <3vn6vl$7...@nuclear.microserve.net>,
Jim "Vamp" <jim....@paonline.com> wrote:
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>I believe torpor is controlled isn't it? Doesn't the rules show only the
>region of "just out of the crypt" as being uncontrolled?
Yes. A Vampire is either Controlled, Uncontrolled, Contested, or out of Play.
"In Topor" and "Ready" are distinct subsets of Controlled.
All rules and card texts apply only to Controlled vampires by default.
If a card or a rule applies to some other set, or only a subset, it must
say so explicitly. Except for (Re)Action (Modifier) cards, which apply
only to Ready minions by default.
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jim....@paonline.com (Jim "Vamp") wrote:
>In article <3vb86h$1...@eccdb1.pms.ford.com>, "William S. Westermann" <westerma> says:>>I don't have the card in front of me,... but I believe it says something about
>>Dr. Jest having to be ready to use his ability. The rules define ready as
>>"in the controlled region",... therefore not in torpor.
No, Dr. Jest need not be ready to use his ability - look at the card.
>I believe torpor is controlled isn't it? Doesn't the rules show only the
>region of "just out of the crypt" as being uncontrolled?
Yes, torpor is controlled but not ready.
Gary