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Anarch Revolt Los Angeles 2001 [Tournament Report] {LONG}

7 messages from 5 participants · 09 February 2001 – 12 February 2001
original thread on Google Groups

Chris Shorb

"Playing these decks sucked, but the drafting was the funnest!" -- Brian McGreal In the depths of Winter, the Anarchs who control Los Angeles made their annual trip to Third Planet to attempt to savage each other. Although poor in resources, these hardy Methuselahs showed they were rich in fighting spirit, and made up for their weak, wack decks with guts, guile, and quite a little bit of luck. Here are the final standings going into the final- Robyn Merrill 6VP 96tp Paul Johnson 5.5vp 120tp Niki Stewart 4.5vp 108tp Dennis Lien 3vp 78tp Dan Harting 3vp 78tp (tie decided by coin flip) -------- Mike Nilsen 2vp 72tp Ifah Shay 1vp 78tp Jon Darbro 1vp 72tp Mark Grady 1vp 60tp Wade von Grawbadger 0.5vp 66tp Sarah Pinon 0.5vp 60tp Duane Honeyman 0vp 42tp Brian McGreal 0vp 42tp Robert Acevedo 0vp 36tp In the Finals, seating was thus: Robyn - Dennis - Paul Dan - Niki Robyn and Paul each achieved 1.5VP, Niki had .5VP. Based on prior rounds standing, Robyn won the tournament. Congratulations to Robyn Merrill, the new Anarchus Canonicus! And now for more details - The format was Elder Draft, which in my opinion is the best of the limited formats. For those unfamiliar - it was developed by Uber-Prince (hey, he's Austrian) Carl Pilhatsch and his playgroup. Basically, you seperate out the crypt from the boosters. You draft the crypt face up as per Rochester (Table) Draft. You then draft the library cards by passing them as a group around the table (Booster Draft), and only you get to see what you take. The best part for me as judge, and perhaps is what Brian is referring to in the quote above, was that for drafting out of the boosters, you only had 30 seconds to make up your mind. You actually had 3 minutes for the first 5 drafts, so you could see the contents of each stack of cards. But after that, it was 30 seconds man! I struck up a cadence of counting down the last 10 seconds - and what a crack up as everyone would moan and groan and panic! A wrinkle is that you cannot go back through what you have already drafted to see what you have already picked. As Jon Darbro said "I think many people would agree that 30 seconds is insane for going through library cards and choosing just one. It turned out all right, but I made some very amusing drafts, like discovering I had two copies of Tasha Morgan and 3 copies of Patronage." And pity poor Mike Nilsen who had a Blood of Sabbat *and* a Black Metamorphosis in his starting library cards. He took the Black Metamorphosis. Anyways, everyone really enjoyed the draft format - I recommend it. As Robyn Merrill, the eventual winner says, "Although passing up good cards is excruciating, it's also a lot of fun. Drafting at the same table next to your prey puts a whole new spin on what you'll choose while you're drafting." <promo> There will be a draft tourney on the Sunday evening tournament at OrcCon (starts at 7pm). You should be there, I will be! </promo> Once the rounds started, the goofiness of sealed deck play reared its giggling head. Jon Darbro - "[Eventually] I ran out of Useful Cards (3 patronages don't work when you have one !Tor and it's Carter). Soon I went down to my predator [Dan Harting]'s well-played Conservative Agitation." His second round went better, but in the end, he fell to Robyn's stealth bleed onslaught: "My predator Robyn then finished me off with this amazing strategy of bleeding me with a minion, and then playing stealth when I tried to block. Through some loophole of the game, I couldn't block these actions with all of these stealth cards. Then, and I'm sure the game designers didn't think of this, she added BLEED MODIFIERS after I couldn't block! Brilliant, and I died. -Jon the Ignored, Virtuoso Traitor of Lambach of the 13th Floor" I will now cut and paste the tournament from the winner's perspective: ******** 3 factors won me the tournament. 1. Mike killed himself for me. 2. Good seating choice in the final. 3. Paul takes a phone call and leaves me to rampage. In the 2nd round, with his remaining 6 pool, my prey, Mike N, recruited a WarGhoul with no retainers or ally's. I was sitting with nice people who would've certainly allowed him a mulligan, as he was simply not aware of the errata, but when [I] realized he would never do that for me, I called for a ruling. I felt horrible, but it turbo'd me through the table to top seed. Seating in the final. Keeping the two combat decks next to each other, I knew I'd never get through Paul (he was my prey 1st round) and wanted as far away as possible. This left Dennis, I didn't know what his deck did, but I know he is a superior player and always blood manages well. I didn't get the one vamp that will make the deck work, Tally the Hound. So I had to make due with the lowly 2 cap Aaron Duggan. Dennis influenced Greta K right off the bat. Greta's ability is essentially equal to at 7 extra pool. How demoralizing. I looked at him as my turn started and said, "Ok, Dennis, I'm starting down the long road of having to drain Greta to get at your pool. Bleed for one." I kept trying to put Hauntings on Greta, but, prey, Paul, would just remove them. Powerbase Montreal changed hands with every turn and Dennis managed to keep himself at 11-13 pool for a VERY long stretch. Heavy bleeds get you unwanted attention from others at your table trying to protect your prey. I took 8 pool damage from 2 Conservative Agitations from my supposed ally, Paul, cross table, and spent the rest of the game at 8 pool. As no one else was close to dying, I then spent 45 minutes just defending and not taking any actions. Trying to be threatening, to keep Dennis from influencing any vampires, but trying to be innocuous enough that Paul might concentrate on his prey. Paul was getting very close to ousting Dan and then a miracle happened. He contested the PowerBase Montreal with Niki across the table. Both of them were fat with pool so the contestation would go on forever and by this time I had plenty of stealth in my hand. Mike Courtois called Paul on his cell phone to ck in with us as he was stuck at home, and I took this time to quietly bleed Dennis for 9 and get him down to 5 pool. If he couldn't wake up, I could completely lose 2 vampires next turn and still get his v/p. I had only 3 cards left in my library. I was waiting for Paul to react when he looked at Dennis's pool. I was a little disappointed that he didn't really have anything to say. But he did then commit all his vampires to simply go forward and bleed Dan out. On my next turn I bled Dennis out. Back in 1st place. With 15 minutes left in the game I just took my time and stayed defensive. I only went forward when Paul tried to withdraw. ******** So there you have it, a peek into the mind of a tournament winner. Awesome. And here is the deck that won - ain't it scary? Deck Name: Robyn's Deck 6 Disciplines no Title Vamps Created by: Robyn Merrill Description: Winner of Anarch Revolt Los Angeles 2001. "I was surprised how cohesive the decks ended up being. I had always wondered why they reprinted some vamps and not others from the Sabbat set and realized on Saturday many of the vamps they printed have cross-skills of OBT/DEM/VIC - just what you need to make a Sabbat War draft work!". Crypt: (12 cards) [Min: 13, Max: 29, Avg: 5.42] 1 Aaron Duggan (obt, Lasombra, 2) 1 Caliban (ANI AUS VIC, Tzimisce, 6) 1 Claven (aus dem obf, Malkavian Antitribu, 4) 1 Dolphin Black (AUS DEM OBF, Malkavian Antitribu, 6) 1 Ingrid Russo (DOM for, Ventrue Antitribu, 4) 1 Jost Werner (ani AUS PRE, Toreador Antitribu, 6) 1 Little Tailor of Prague (ANI AUS dem VIC, Tzimisce, 8) 1 Luther (ANI for obt pro, Gangrel Antitribu, 6) 1 Talley (aus dom OBT POT, Lasombra, 6) 1 Vasantasena (AUS DEM dom OBF pot, Malkavian Antitribu, 9) 1 Victor Revell (aus CEL dem pre, Toreador Antitribu, 5) 1 Yorik (dem obf, Malkavian Antitribu, 3) Library: (46 cards) Master (5 cards) 1 Dominate 1 Power Structure 1 Presence 1 Tribute to the Master 1 Vicissitude Action (12 cards) 2 Haunting, The 1 Kindred Spirits 2 Media Influence 1 Mind Rape 1 Propaganda 3 Scouting Mission 1 Shadow Twin 1 Total Insanity ActionMod (12 cards) 3 Changeling 1 Command of the Beast 1 Forgotten Labyrinth 1 Marked Path 4 Shadow Play 1 Sleeping Mind, The 1 Threats Reaction (1 card) 1 Darksight Combat (12 cards) 3 Arms of the Abyss 1 Chiropteran Marauder 2 Inner Essence 2 Meld with the Land 3 Oubliette 1 Skin of Rock Ally (1 card) 1 Escaped Mental Patient Equipment (2 cards) 1 Gas-Powered Chainsaw 1 Leather Jacket Combo (1 card) 1 Swallowed by the Night -- chris <www.vtesinla.org> (A V:TES site in development) ultimate disc - V:TES - hockey v:ekn prince of torrance, ca

carl.pi...@chello.at

> The format was Elder Draft, which in my opinion is the best of the > limited formats. For those unfamiliar - it was developed by Uber-Prince > (hey, he's Austrian) Carl Pilhatsch and his playgroup. Thanks for the honors. :) If you want to put it into german, it's "Ober-Prinz" and means head of Princes. But I want to point out that I'm not such a thing. :) > The best part for me as judge, and perhaps is what Brian is referring to > in the quote above, was that for drafting out of the boosters, you only > had 30 seconds to make up your mind. You actually had 3 minutes for the > first 5 drafts, so you could see the contents of each stack of cards. > But after that, it was 30 seconds man! I don't know if you did it right, or if I'm getting you wrong here. All boosters are opened at the same time, not booster after booster, each after the next. This means you get *all* your crypt cards before you get *all* your library cards. Just wantedt ot make this clear. > I struck up a cadence of > counting down the last 10 seconds - and what a crack up as everyone > would moan and groan and panic! Yes, that's right. :) Panic. Though, I recommend to use 15-20 cards for each round of library draft, and once you are halfway through, you can decrease time, to say, 15 or 10 seconds. Cause by then mostly unwanted cards are left, and players know the remaining cards pretty well. > A wrinkle is that you cannot go back > through what you have already drafted to see what you have already > picked. It is not always necessary, but yes, between drafting rounds you can! > As Jon Darbro said "I think many people would agree that 30 > seconds is insane for going through library cards and choosing just > one. It turned out all right, but I made some very amusing drafts, like > discovering I had two copies of Tasha Morgan and 3 copies of > Patronage." And pity poor Mike Nilsen who had a Blood of Sabbat *and* a > Black Metamorphosis in his starting library cards. He took the Black > Metamorphosis. The draft is part of the fun! That's why people want to have Elder Draft. :) > Anyways, everyone really enjoyed the draft format - I recommend it. As > Robyn Merrill, the eventual winner says, "Although passing up good cards > is excruciating, it's also a lot of fun. Drafting at the same table next > to your prey puts a whole new spin on what you'll choose while you're > drafting." Slowly, careful now! The pods for drafting are not the same as for the first tournament round! This is to ensure that unsportsmanlike conduct does not occur. Seating for drafting is also random, don't forget that! Carl Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

LSJ

carl.pi...@chello.at wrote: > The pods for drafting are not the same as for the > first tournament round! They can be. (They are in all of my draft tournaments.) -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]

RobynM

In article <96184m$7ch$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, carl.pi...@chello.at wrote: > I don't know if you did it right, or if I'm getting you wrong here. All > boosters are opened at the same time, not booster after booster, each > after the next. This means you get *all* your crypt cards before you get > *all* your library cards. Just wantedt ot make this clear. We did it correctly. Boy, I'm glad you're chiming in now as I'll be running one just like it next weekend! > Yes, that's right. :) Panic. Though, I recommend to use 15-20 cards for > each round of library draft, and once you are halfway through, you can > decrease time, to say, 15 or 10 seconds. Cause by then mostly unwanted > cards are left, and players know the remaining cards pretty well. The 1st 5 cards were 30 seconds. The rest were chosen in 15. But we passed the entire stack. (Ohmygod, do I take this Mind Rape for my collection?......orrrr should I take this Tribute?....ahhh!) > The pods for drafting are not the same as for the > first tournament round! This is to ensure that unsportsmanlike conduct > does not occur. Seating for drafting is also random, don't forget > that! Having read LSJ's post subsequent to this one. ......whew! It is a great format, though, and works great with SW! ROBYN [ quoted text not captured ]

carl.pi...@chello.at

In article <9618jv$7us$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > carl.pi...@chello.at wrote: > > The pods for drafting are not the same as for the > > first tournament round! > > They can be. > (They are in all of my draft tournaments.) Ok, so be it. But then, I think it takes some of the fun out of the first round, as you know what to expect (more or less). IMO, having the drafting seating order be different from the seating order of the first round prevents to a degree possible collusion (while drafting) and makes sure, that players don't just start to take cardsa to spoil predator and prey (which is a bad thing IMO). Carl [ quoted text not captured ]

Kevin M.

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:9618jv$7us$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... > carl.pi...@chello.at wrote: > > The pods for drafting are not the same as for the > > first tournament round! > > They can be. > (They are in all of my draft tournaments.) I assume "can" means it is the head judge's choice, then? Playing in the last-ever Sabbat draft at GenCon, uing this optional rule turned out to be bad for my table (as I assume it would be for every table), as me forcing obf dem bleed caused my prey (the guy drafting to the left of me) to completely abandon everything he had done in the first 2 packs just to deal with what he KNEW would be coming his way. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ

"Kevin M." <kjme...@NOSPAMhome.com> wrote: > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message > > carl.pi...@chello.at wrote: > > > The pods for drafting are not the same as for the > > > first tournament round! > > > > They can be. > > (They are in all of my draft tournaments.) > > I assume "can" means it is the head judge's choice, then? It's the organizer's choice. [ quoted text not captured ]