storyline deck, please comment(add cards!)

sorry, no eldb cut n'paste... i wanted to both make a blanche/khobar towers/madnes nw deck(first tried by josh duffin, i guess) work, and give some new or errata'd CE cards a shot... protect the madness network et al. with weenies given intercept by maris, fill her up by transferring blood via heidelberg from blanche(who hunts every turn, preferrably with the razor), stolen vamps and renewed vigor, steal vamps and khobar them... smiling jack is for ousting power, but works well with spirit marionette even without khobar towers deck: blanche is crazy like a rattlesnake crypt: 3x blanche hill 3x maris streck(i block! i block! gain intercept) 2x watenda 2x milo 2x zoe library(70 so far) master(15) forest of shadows 2 heidelberg castle 2 madness network 3 khobar towers 3 rotschreck 3 smiling jack 2 actions(21, a bit much i guess, but 4 are cycling) clan impersonation 5 (blanche to malk, someone to setite) spirit marionette 7(steal in predators phase, then khobar) renewed vigor 5(fill up maris) scrounging 4(cycle...duh) action mod(3) repulsion 3 combat(14) high ground 10 disguised weapon 4 equipment(5) aaron's feeding razor 1 blanche's secret weapon ivory bow 2 improvised flamethrower 2 reaction(12) forced awakening 4 wake w/ef 4 telepathic misdirection 4 please help! i don't know what to add...pool gain is missing, until you khobar the first vamp it can get tricky. everything i tried to add diluted the deck (that's rare for me, not having any cards to add to a 70 card deck). any suggestions?

sonnenk...@aol.com (arden mcbathan) wrote in message news:<aae0be1a.02111...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] Sorry, it doesn't work : Khobar works on ready controled vamps AT YOUR UNTAP. There is no combo with madness network, or spirit marionette, because just after bleeding the vamps go back tio his owner read region... It was a good idea... but it doesn'nt works...

"Kamel SENNI" <kamel...@yvelines.pref.gouv.fr> wrote in message news:1b066664.02112...@posting.google.com... [ quoted text not captured ] That's why Blanche Clan Impersonates a Malkavian, steals a NON-malkavian that cannot act during your PREDATORS minion phase after they've completed their actions and is therefore burned during your untap phase by the Khobar towers. It actually does work. Requires a LOT of moving parts, but it can be pulled off.

"Kamel SENNI" <kamel...@yvelines.pref.gouv.fr> wrote in message news:1b066664.02112...@posting.google.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Hold the phone. I was thinking about this too. What if the Spirit Marionette is done by Malk Impersonated Blanche at the end of the predator's turn with the Madness Network in play? The affected vampire can't act until the Blanche's controllers action phase. This means that Blanche's controller will have that stolen vamp during his/her untap phase and can use the Towers to burn it. This combo only works on the predator's turn as per the card text on the Spirit Marionette +1 stealth action. (D) Take control of any ready untapped minion UNTIL THE END OF THE NEXT ACTION. That minion must bleed your prey unless he or she must hunt. Is this the intent of the poster? Mark Allen

kamel...@yvelines.pref.gouv.fr (Kamel SENNI) wrote in message news:<1b066664.02112...@posting.google.com>... > sonnenk...@aol.com (arden mcbathan) wrote in message news:<aae0be1a.02111...@posting.google.com>... > > > > actions(21, a bit much i guess, but 4 are cycling) > > clan impersonation 5 (blanche to malk, someone to setite) > > spirit marionette 7(steal in predators phase, then khobar) > > Sorry, it doesn't work : > Khobar works on ready controled vamps AT YOUR UNTAP. > There is no combo with madness network, or spirit marionette, because > just after bleeding the vamps go back tio his owner read region... > It was a good idea... but it doesn'nt works... well, it DOES work...you steal a vampire with blanche, who is a malk due to clan impersonation, during your predators turn. given that no malkavian takes an action after that(even if the spirit marionetted vamp is a malk he doesn't have to act if i don't want him to[lsj-dontknowwhen]), i still control him in my untap phase, since there was no "next action" after spirit marionette. he leaves play, i gain pool.

kamel...@yvelines.pref.gouv.fr (Kamel SENNI) wrote in message news:<1b066664.02112...@posting.google.com>... > > Sorry, it doesn't work : > Khobar works on ready controled vamps AT YOUR UNTAP. > There is no combo with madness network, or spirit marionette, because > just after bleeding the vamps go back tio his owner read region... > It was a good idea... but it doesn'nt works... It works, if the vampire is stolen during your predators influence phase through the madness network, the stolen vampire cannot bleed (if it isn´t a malkavian) and therefore will be under the stealers control untill the stealers minion phase.

kamel...@yvelines.pref.gouv.fr (Kamel SENNI) wrote in message news:<1b066664.02112...@posting.google.com>... > sonnenk...@aol.com (arden mcbathan) wrote in message news:<aae0be1a.02111...@posting.google.com>... > > sorry, no eldb cut n'paste... > > > > i wanted to both make a blanche/khobar towers/madnes nw deck(first > > tried by josh duffin, i guess) work, and give some new or errata'd CE > > cards a shot... > > protect the madness network et al. with weenies given intercept by > > maris, fill her up by transferring blood via heidelberg from > > blanche(who hunts every turn, preferrably with the razor), stolen > > vamps and renewed vigor, steal vamps and khobar them... > > smiling jack is for ousting power, but works well with spirit > > marionette even without khobar towers > > > > deck: blanche is crazy like a rattlesnake > > <snip deck> > > > > actions(21, a bit much i guess, but 4 are cycling) > > clan impersonation 5 (blanche to malk, someone to setite) > > spirit marionette 7(steal in predators phase, then khobar) > > Sorry, it doesn't work : > Khobar works on ready controled vamps AT YOUR UNTAP. > There is no combo with madness network, or spirit marionette, because > just after bleeding the vamps go back tio his owner read region... > It was a good idea... but it doesn'nt works... IANLSJ but i pretty sure it does work (i believe this concept had been discussed on the ng a few months ago). Using the now-Malkavian Blanche to Spirit Marionette one of your predator's vamp at the end of HIS minion phase (via Madness Network) means that unless the stolen vamp is malkavian, he can't bleed and no other action is performed. Hence the Marionette stays controlled by you until it can legally bleed which will be during your own minion phase. With a full untap phase in between, i do believe that's enough time to send the hapless vamp for a one-way trip to the Towers :) TPOTH Koldun

>It works, if the vampire is stolen during your predators influence >phase through the madness network, the stolen vampire cannot bleed (if >it isn´t a malkavian) and therefore will be under the stealers control >untill the stealers minion phase. Pedantic correction: Vampire is still stolen during predator's minion phase (not influence phase). Madness Network happens after the Methusaleh (who's turn it is) has finished all his minion actions but still during the minion phase. Halcyan 2

Pierre wrote: > kamel...@yvelines.pref.gouv.fr (Kamel SENNI) wrote in message > > sonnenk...@aol.com (arden mcbathan) wrote in message > > > spirit marionette 7(steal in predators phase, then khobar) > > > > Sorry, it doesn't work : > > Khobar works on ready controled vamps AT YOUR UNTAP. > > There is no combo with madness network, or spirit marionette, because > > just after bleeding the vamps go back tio his owner read region... > > It was a good idea... but it doesn'nt works... > > IANLSJ but i pretty sure it does work (i believe this concept had been > discussed on the ng a few months ago). Using the now-Malkavian Blanche > to Spirit Marionette one of your predator's vamp at the end of HIS > minion phase (via Madness Network) means that unless the stolen vamp > is malkavian, he can't bleed and no other action is performed. Hence > the Marionette stays controlled by you until it can legally bleed > which will be during your own minion phase. With a full untap phase in > between, i do believe that's enough time to send the hapless vamp for > a one-way trip to the Towers :) Almost correct. The stolen Marionette stays controlled by you until some action is taken (not necessarily until "it can legally bleed"). The "combo" will fall apart if any other Malk takes an action after the Spirit Marrionette action, since the Marionnetted vampire will then be returned at the end of that action, for example. Barring any additional Networked actions, however, the Marionetted vampire will still be under your control when you reach your untap phase (unless, of course, the player whose turn it is contests it by bringing out another copy during her influence phase first. :-) -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

<snip> > > Almost correct. The stolen Marionette stays controlled by you until some > action is taken (not necessarily until "it can legally bleed"). > > The "combo" will fall apart if any other Malk takes an action after the > Spirit Marrionette action, since the Marionnetted vampire will then > be returned at the end of that action, for example. > > Barring any additional Networked actions, however, the Marionetted vampire > will still be under your control when you reach your untap phase (unless, > of course, the player whose turn it is contests it by bringing out another > copy during her influence phase first. :-) > Just out of curiousity, what happens if the vamp you steal is a Malkavian? Mandatory actions don't have to be performed during the window where Madness Network works, do they? There's nothing on the card text of the Madness Network that would imply such, but just wanted to make sure as the stolen Malk *could* act.

On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:10:27 -0600, "Jon Stahler" <sta...@ilir.uiuc.edu> wrote: >Just out of curiousity, what happens if the vamp you steal is a Malkavian (out of turn with a Madness Network in play via Spirit Marionette)? It acts or not as you choose. >Mandatory actions don't have to be performed during the window where Madness >Network works, do they? No. >There's nothing on the card text of the Madness >Network that would imply such, but just wanted to make sure as the stolen >Malk *could* act. It can bleed, as its next action is constrained. It is not required to act except during "your" minion phase. LSJ 2002-03-13 http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C8F4E7B.A04B470%40white-wolf.com and No. Malks are not obligated to act via the Net, even if they have mandatory actions. A Malk with a mandatory action cannot perform any other action via the Net, however. [RTR 28-NOV-1994], [LSJ 18-JAN-2002] LSJ 2002-03-06 http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C8677A5.62639B0D%40white-wolf.com Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3DDBF436...@white-wolf.com>... > Pierre wrote: > > kamel...@yvelines.pref.gouv.fr (Kamel SENNI) wrote in message > > > sonnenk...@aol.com (arden mcbathan) wrote in message > > > > spirit marionette 7(steal in predators phase, then khobar) > > > > > > Sorry, it doesn't work : > > > Khobar works on ready controled vamps AT YOUR UNTAP. > > > There is no combo with madness network, or spirit marionette, because > > > just after bleeding the vamps go back tio his owner read region... > > > It was a good idea... but it doesn'nt works... > > > > IANLSJ but i pretty sure it does work (i believe this concept had been > > discussed on the ng a few months ago). Using the now-Malkavian Blanche > > to Spirit Marionette one of your predator's vamp at the end of HIS > > minion phase (via Madness Network) means that unless the stolen vamp > > is malkavian, he can't bleed and no other action is performed. Hence > > the Marionette stays controlled by you until it can legally bleed > > which will be during your own minion phase. With a full untap phase in > > between, i do believe that's enough time to send the hapless vamp for > > a one-way trip to the Towers :) > > Almost correct. The stolen Marionette stays controlled by you until some > action is taken (not necessarily until "it can legally bleed"). Chite, I was wrong !!! Ok, Ok, i apologize...(aie aie, not on my head...) Great combo !

<snip redundancy> o.k., now that that's settled, anyone still cares to comment on the deck? =D i'd like to bring it up to 80 cards, current plans: -1 forest of shadows +2 dreams of the sphinx +5 cloak the gathering +3 change of target +1 army of rats given that the storyline tournaments so far have been slaughterfests, any suggestions to make it more robust, or do you think it could survive out there? arden