reform body question

Can I play RB in response to a Protect Thine Own that is going to burn one of my vamp? Thanx

cartman wrote: > Can I play RB in response to a Protect Thine Own that is going to burn one > of my vamp? If that vampire is untapped and has Vicissitude, yes. Unless you also control the acting vampire, of course. :-) -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

another reform body qn: say Lambach has TWO anathemas on him. say he is reduced to 0 blood in combat, before range is chosen, by using his agg-hands special. 1) Can he play reform body when he is burning to the anathema? (yes?) 2) Will he then burn to the 2nd anathema? Even if he played reform body and gained 2 blood? 3) if there was not a 2nd anathema, and the answer to (1) was yes, does combat continue? thanks, salem.

In message <293af2cc.03050...@posting.google.com>, salem <salem_ch...@yahoo.com> writes: >say Lambach has TWO anathemas on him. say he is reduced to 0 blood in >combat, before range is chosen, by using his agg-hands special. > >1) Can he play reform body when he is burning to the anathema? (yes?) Since he's burning in combat, it seems reasonable. > If a vamp is burned through Anathema in combat and he plays Reform > Body, does the opposing minion's controller still get the pool. Is the > Anathema card burned? The Anathema has no effect and remains in play on the reformed vampire. (No pool gain due to the "burned vampire" phrasing for that effect). http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=967190%24kqp%241%40nnrp1.deja.com >2) Will he then burn to the 2nd anathema? Even if he played reform >body and gained 2 blood? I'm pretty certain he would. The second Anathema cannot resolve simultaneously with the first: two Anathema's don't resolve simultaneously. http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3DDE2A02...@white-wolf.com So the second one is perfectly entitled to not resolve immediately, but resolve immediately after the first one has been handled. (The acting Methuselah may order the effects as she likes, were there to be any difference.) The vampire still meets the criteria: being reduced to zero blood in combat, and still being ready - even if he's managed to go up, he was reduced to zero blood. Burning outright from aggravated damage strikes, for instance, will bypass Anathema - damage is all applied at once, with a burn. The Anathema is then no longer there to go off. Additionally, the Anathema cards stay there - no card text burns them, they only burn as a side-effect of the vampire being burned. >3) if there was not a 2nd anathema, and the answer to (1) was yes, >does combat continue? Clearly the answer is no, regardless. Lambach is in torpor. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D Lucky that my breasts are small and humble, EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 So you don't confuse them with mountains. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D

salem_ch...@yahoo.com (salem) wrote in message news:<293af2cc.03050...@posting.google.com>... > another reform body qn: > > say Lambach has TWO anathemas on him. say he is reduced to 0 blood in > combat, before range is chosen, by using his agg-hands special. > > 1) Can he play reform body when he is burning to the anathema? (yes?) I would think yes. > > 2) Will he then burn to the 2nd anathema? Even if he played reform > body and gained 2 blood? I doubt it. Being reduced to zero triggers *an* anathema. Reform prevents the burn effect. Lambach isn't reduced to zero *again* (that's already past) so the second anathema still sits on him. How I would judge it, anyway. Of course if he was later hit by superior Carrion Crows (thus removing the two gained form the reform, then, i think he would burn (to the second anathema). This relys on combat continuing though (I don't think it does). > > 3) if there was not a 2nd anathema, and the answer to (1) was yes, > does combat continue? Nah, wouldn't reform body sends the reacting/combated minion to torpor (doesn'it?).? Question:Could Lambach (conceivably) play an undead persistence to continue combat? Question: Which anathema is triggered first? Does it go in order (clockwise) from the controller of the minion of the anathema's? > > thanks, > > salem. me too, -scrote

James Coupe wrote: > salem <salem_ch...@yahoo.com> writes: >>say Lambach has TWO anathemas on him. say he is reduced to 0 blood in >>combat, before range is chosen, by using his agg-hands special. >> >>1) Can he play reform body when he is burning to the anathema? (yes?) > > Since he's burning in combat, it seems reasonable. Correct. >>If a vamp is burned through Anathema in combat and he plays Reform >>Body, does the opposing minion's controller still get the pool. Is the >>Anathema card burned? > > The Anathema has no effect and remains in play on the reformed vampire. > (No pool gain due to the "burned vampire" phrasing for that effect). > > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=967190%24kqp%241%40nnrp1.deja.com Correct. >>2) Will he then burn to the 2nd anathema? Even if he played reform >>body and gained 2 blood? > > I'm pretty certain he would. Correct. They are both "switched on" by the single reduction to zero event. They cannot resolve simultaneously, however, so one resolves first (usually precluding the resolution of the other by burning the other as a side effect of burning the vampire, but if the other is still in play after the first is resolved, then it is resolved). >>3) if there was not a 2nd anathema, and the answer to (1) was yes, >>does combat continue? > > Clearly the answer is no, regardless. Lambach is in torpor. Correct. Lambach could follow up with an Undead Persistence to remain ready for a bit longer in order to continue combat, if he had Fortitude, though. [ quoted text not captured ]

mud...@hotmail.com (scrote) wrote in message news:<b618d4f6.03050...@posting.google.com>... > salem_ch...@yahoo.com (salem) wrote in message news:<293af2cc.03050...@posting.google.com>... > > another reform body qn: > > > > say Lambach has TWO anathemas on him. say he is reduced to 0 blood in > > combat, before range is chosen, by using his agg-hands special. > > > > 1) Can he play reform body when he is burning to the anathema? (yes?) > > I would think yes. > > > > > 2) Will he then burn to the 2nd anathema? Even if he played reform > > body and gained 2 blood? > > I doubt it. Being reduced to zero triggers *an* anathema. Reform > prevents the burn effect. Lambach isn't reduced to zero *again* > (that's already past) so the second anathema still sits on him. > > How I would judge it, anyway. Shows what i know :) > <snip> > > > > > 3) if there was not a 2nd anathema, and the answer to (1) was yes, > > does combat continue? > > Nah, wouldn't reform body sends the reacting/combated minion to torpor > (doesn'it?).? > > Question:Could Lambach (conceivably) play an undead persistence to > continue combat? Cool to know that. > > Question: Which anathema is triggered first? Does it go in order > (clockwise) from the controller of the minion of the anathema's? > Ok, better question (now I know how anathema's' work): Which anathema is resolved first? Does it go in order(clockwise) from the controller of the minion with the anathema's? I am trying to think when it might matter...can't. In this situation it seems that either both anathema's stay, or both go to graveyards...still, which one resolves, huh, huh? > > > > > thanks, > > > > salem. > > me too, thanks, > -scrote

In message <b618d4f6.03050...@posting.google.com>, scrote <mud...@hotmail.com> writes: >Which anathema is resolved first? Does it go in order(clockwise) from >the controller of the minion with the anathema's? Anathema is a minion card on a vampire, with no text specifying an alternate controller to the default - the Methuselah who controls the vampire it is on. This means - amongst other things - that the original player burning is not sufficient to get rid of it. e.g. if I place an Anathema on your copy of Gitane St Clair, and I get ousted, the Anathema is still there. As a result, all the controllers are the same. In any event, the acting Methuselah can sequence the otherwise simultaneous events. [ quoted text not captured ]