Kiss of Ra /Masochism [LSJ]

Hi guys, I think this came up before, but I can't seem to find it. Last WE, a question arose during the German ECQ: You've got vamp A with fortitude and a Masochism on him. Let's say he plays Govern on sup (or some other action to get tapped), then plays Force of Will. One of his pre'ys vamps (without for) attempts to block. Vamp A plays Kiss of Ra. With current card text for KoR: The Kiss of Ra [AH:U5, FN:PR, CE:PV, Anarchs:PG] Cardtype: Action Modifier Cost: 3 blood Discipline: Fortitude Only usable when a vampire who does not have Fortitude attempts to block this acting minion. [for] The block attempt is canceled, the blocking vampire burns 2 blood, and the current action is ended (without combat). [FOR] As above, and the blocking vampire goes into torpor. Does Vamp A still take the damage from Force Of Will and go to torpor(thus getting extra counters from Masochism) or not? Thanks for clarifying. Greetz Jo

wolflord wrote: > You've got vamp A with fortitude and a Masochism on him. > Let's say he plays Govern on sup (or some other action to get tapped), > then plays Force of Will. > One of his pre'ys vamps (without for) attempts to block. > Vamp A plays Kiss of Ra. > With current card text for KoR: > > The Kiss of Ra [AH:U5, FN:PR, CE:PV, Anarchs:PG] > Cardtype: Action Modifier > Cost: 3 blood > Discipline: Fortitude > Only usable when a vampire who does not have Fortitude attempts to > block this acting minion. > [for] The block attempt is canceled, the blocking vampire burns 2 > blood, and the current action is ended (without combat). > [FOR] As above, and the blocking vampire goes into torpor. > > Does Vamp A still take the damage from Force Of Will and go to > torpor(thus getting extra counters from Masochism) or not? Takes the damage. Google: "Force Will Ra Kiss Author:LSJ" -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

>> You've got vamp A with fortitude and a Masochism on him. >> Let's say he plays Govern on sup (or some other action to get tapped), >> then plays Force of Will. >> One of his pre'ys vamps (without for) attempts to block. >> Vamp A plays Kiss of Ra. >> With current card text for KoR: >> >> The Kiss of Ra [AH:U5, FN:PR, CE:PV, Anarchs:PG] >> Cardtype: Action Modifier >> Cost: 3 blood >> Discipline: Fortitude >> Only usable when a vampire who does not have Fortitude attempts to >> block this acting minion. >> [for] The block attempt is canceled, the blocking vampire burns 2 >> blood, and the current action is ended (without combat). >> [FOR] As above, and the blocking vampire goes into torpor. >> >> Does Vamp A still take the damage from Force Of Will and go to >> torpor(thus getting extra counters from Masochism) or not? > >Takes the damage. >Google: "Force Will Ra Kiss Author:LSJ" Can you remind me why this is different in the case of Force of Will and Red Herring? Halcyan 2

Halcyan 2 wrote: >>>You've got vamp A with fortitude and a Masochism on him. >>>Let's say he plays Govern on sup (or some other action to get tapped), >>>then plays Force of Will. >>>One of his pre'ys vamps (without for) attempts to block. >>>Vamp A plays Kiss of Ra. >>>Does Vamp A still take the damage from Force Of Will and go to >>>torpor(thus getting extra counters from Masochism) or not? >> >>Takes the damage. >>Google: "Force Will Ra Kiss Author:LSJ" > > Can you remind me why this is different in the case of Force of Will and Red > Herring? Red Herring cancels the action. Kiss of Ra ends the action. Google: "Force Will action ends author:LSJ" [ quoted text not captured ]