Govern The Unaligned

I apologize for asking this silly question but it came up in our last game and we couldn't determine the answer from the rulebook. Can Govern The Unaligned be played at superior if the acting vampire is not older than any of the vampires in the uncontrolled area? The blood doesn't get transferred from the blood bank but can it still be played or is the "a younger vampire" a specific condition that has to be met? Thanks.

[ quoted text not captured ] You need to have a valid target to play the card. I got called out on this with Grooming the Protege the other day...

serge wrote: > I apologize for asking this silly question but it came up in our last > game and we couldn't determine the answer from the rulebook. > Can Govern The Unaligned be played at superior if the acting vampire is > not older than any of the vampires in the uncontrolled area? No. > The blood > doesn't get transferred from the blood bank but can it still be played > or is the "a younger vampire" a specific condition that has to be met? The latter.

[ quoted text not captured ] Thank you for the replies. One more question if I may. If this illegal action is not caught until the influence step, when the uncontrolled vampire enters the ready region, I can see removing the blood gained from the blood bank and the player retrieving the card used and replacing the card gained from it. What would be the correct call if the vampire who attempted the action had been blocked and toporized? Would the vampire get pulled out of topor as if the action had not happened? Would the turn reset back before the illegal action was attempted w/ both players retrieving any cards played during the block/combat?

serge wrote: > Thank you for the replies. One more question if I may. If this illegal > action is not caught until the influence step, when the uncontrolled > vampire enters the ready region, I can see removing the blood gained > from the blood bank and the player retrieving the card used and > replacing the card gained from it. What would be the correct call if > the vampire who attempted the action had been blocked and toporized? > Would the vampire get pulled out of topor as if the action had not > happened? Would the turn reset back before the illegal action was > attempted w/ both players retrieving any cards played during the > block/combat? There is never such a thing as "the correct call" when things are taken out of context like this. -- - Gregory Stuart Pettigrew

"Gregory Stuart Pettigrew" <gpett...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1161634195.6...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... [ quoted text not captured ] It still happens every now and then tho. Generally you just remove the 3 bloodcounters from the illegal target and put it back in the uncontrolled region and leave everything else intact. A judge could rule otherwise but it's the most practical solution.

[ quoted text not captured ] Correct. In every case of illegal play, you (the players in a friendly game or the judge at a tournament) correct the situation as best as it can be corrected.

"serge" <serge...@cox.net> wrote in news:1161632556.8...@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com: [ quoted text not captured ] Others alluded to using your best judgement as to what is a a fair arrangement as to how much to "rewind" the game state. In the case of a blocked action resulting in torpor, I'd have to assume that a fair number of cards and investment into the combat occured on the part of the blocking minion. Since the legality of the action is almost irrelevant to the resulting block and combat(it could have been _any_ blocked action), and the game state has advanced far enough to make a fair number of cards public, I would say that you should _not_ rewind the whole of combat. Acting player can retrieve his Govern if he chooses, and return a drawn card to the library (shuffling the library), and play on... If the mis-play of Govern was caught without a significant number of cards played subsequently (say, the Govern was the last, unblocked action of the minion phase), then you can rewind the cards effect, and untap the acting vampire safely. The right call really is a function of game state. Go with what impacts the game state the least, and what strikes the group as the most fair way to move forward... DaveZ Atom Weaver

> > LSJ wrote: > >> serge wrote: > >> > I apologize for asking this silly question but it came up in our > >> > last game and we couldn't determine the answer from the rulebook. > >> > Can Govern The Unaligned be played at superior if the acting > >> > vampire is not older than any of the vampires in the uncontrolled > >> > area? > The right call really is a function of game state. Go with what > impacts the game state the least, and what strikes the group as the most > fair way to move forward... > Or.... You could do it Yakuza style. Let the cards and play stay as they are, but the offender then has to cut off one of his own fingers right there in front of everyone. Which ever seems more reasonable. :) Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr XZealot Archon of the Swamp

[ quoted text not captured ] Bad Norman!!! Bad, BAD! How can you possibly think of getting blood all over everybody elses cards????? What you do is take a deck of magic the farting cards, and then all players get a chance to rap the offenders on his knuckles with the deck. Use Magic, cos you don't care what happens to the cards anyway... 1) take a 60 card deck, pack it down nice and neat, all the edges together 2) lean the deck 60 degrees, so as to get a nice sharp leading edge. 3) proceed to explain concept of honesty to offender.....

Blooded Sand wrote: > XZealot wrote: > >>Or.... >> >>You could do it Yakuza style. >> >>Let the cards and play stay as they are, but the offender then has to >>cut off one of his own fingers right there in front of everyone. >> >>Which ever seems more reasonable. :) >> >>Comments Welcome, >>Norman S. Brown, Jr >>XZealot >>Archon of the Swamp > > > Bad Norman!!! Bad, BAD! How can you possibly think of getting blood all > over everybody elses cards????? What you do is take a deck of magic the > farting cards, and then all players get a chance to rap the offenders > on his knuckles with the deck. Use Magic, cos you don't care what > happens to the cards anyway... > > 1) take a 60 card deck, pack it down nice and neat, all the edges > together > 2) lean the deck 60 degrees, so as to get a nice sharp leading edge. > 3) proceed to explain concept of honesty to offender..... > a) The point is letting himself hurt himself, not others doing it. b) You are sick. Both of you. Get some help. :) -- johannes walch

[ quoted text not captured ] I tried. My shrink got comitted 2 weeks later... :)