BYO Imperator Deck

So, no thread for the Imperator deck contents / suggestions. Or am I just being blind? I'd say: 1. More boons! 2. Blood Hunt(s). Duh. What would you add?

"tobiasopdenbr...@notsocoldmail.com" <tobiasop...@hotmail.com> wrote: >1. More boons! >2. Blood Hunt(s). Duh. > >What would you add? I'd be tempted to add one or two Praxis Seizures - preferably those without benefits (increased capacity) for particular clans, but for mildly popular cities. e.g. Praxis Seizure: Seattle. I'd also think about adding Redline and Legacy of Power. I'd probably take out Elysium: The Arboretum, to keep the game with a bit more combat in it. Since the example includes Haven Uncovered, I might be tempted to include Fame or Vampiric Disease. If any Of Noble Blood were left in, I might add a corresponding Beyond Reproach. My inclination would, overall, be to try to cause a bit more potential mayhem that players can act on but isn't easy/automatic, rather than relying on clan hosers. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

On Mar 10, 10:34 am, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > "tobiasopdenbr...@notsocoldmail.com" <tobiasopdenbr...@hotmail.com> [ quoted text not captured ] Thematically, I would want to include judgement: Cam Seg, Legacy of power, Sabbat Threat, Temptation of Greater power

Consanguineous Condemnation Trumped-Up Charges Persona Non Grata Masquerade Enforcement Wrath of the Inner Circle Praxis Solomon Reversal of Fortunes Screw the Masquerade! Good for screwing with the game.

On Mar 10, 2:34 am, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > "tobiasopdenbr...@notsocoldmail.com" <tobiasopdenbr...@hotmail.com> [ quoted text not captured ] Can someone please link the existing info on this storyline? Thanks, Brandon

brandons...@yahoo.com wrote: > Can someone please link the existing info on this storyline? http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

brandons...@yahoo.com wrote: >Can someone please link the existing info on this storyline? http://www.vtesstorylines.com/default.aspx [ quoted text not captured ]

Cards I'm considering: Ancient Influence Reins of Power Poliltical Stranglehold (sort of the Power Three whenever I consider a large capacity deck, especially with voting being a strong component of things) Disputed Territory From a Sinking Ship ("My side's losing? Better go jump on the band wagon of the winning team!") Instability Leadership Vacuum (While thematic, seems likely that there will be a lot of titles and high caps on the table, so not sure it would be of much actual use) Lextalionis Persona Non Grata Political Backlash Political Flux Rastacourere Regaining the Upper Hand Reinforcements Transfer of Power (A bit weak, but thematic) Alternative Clan Hosers: Judgement: Death to the Brujah! Malkavian Derangement: Alternate Personality Whispers of the Nictuku Blood Hunt Fun: Blood Hunt Cloak of Blood The Hunt Club Subdued by the Blood Urban Jungle Contesting and Clan In-fighting: Betrayer Clan Loyalty Conflict of Interests Praxis Solomon Cards that seem thematic, but probably work better in a player's deck: Archon Alastor Beyond Reproach Entrenching Esteem Justicar Retribution King's Rising Legacy of Power Peace Treaty Temptation of Greater Power Tension in the Ranks Trumped-up Charges Obviously too many to put into one Imperator Deck ... but perhaps listing some obscure unused card will catch someone else's interest. Chris, Thrall of Arika

On Mar 10, 4:20 pm, Thrall of Arika <christopher.ack...@amec.com> wrote: > Cards I'm considering: > > Ancient Influence > Reins of Power > Poliltical Stranglehold > From a Sinking Ship ("My side's losing? Better go jump on the band > wagon of the winning team!") > Seems like these really hose small- and mid-caps. If I knew these were in the Imperator deck, it would definitely change my deckbuilding. > Political Backlash Seems nasty, but fun. > Regaining the Upper Hand > Esteem No. Just terrible. Especially Esteem. Seems like more often than not, someone's just going to play them to cycle them out of the Imperator hand, if at all. > Transfer of Power (A bit weak, but thematic) Definitely fun. > Alternative Clan Hosers: > Judgement: Death to the Brujah! > Malkavian Derangement: Alternate Personality > Whispers of the Nictuku > If you're going to do Clan Hosers, I think you need to do one for each clan. Or else a whole deck of Malkavian Dementia! =) > Contesting and Clan In-fighting: > Betrayer > Clan Loyalty > Conflict of Interests > Praxis Solomon > I like these for the Imperator deck. Maybe not Betrayer so much since it may just clog up the Imperator hand, but the others definitely. > Cards that seem thematic, but probably work better in a player's deck: > Beyond Reproach This seems good for the Imperator deck.

[ quoted text not captured ] What about some really off-the tangent cards... Aura of Invincibility Absolution of the Diabolist Archon Investigation Centralised Background Check Bribes Cryptic Rider Mob Rule Ritual of the Bitter Rose Neighbourhood Watch Commander Insurance Scam Tension in the Ranks (how ideal is this when reading the fiction? everyone in the camarilla is tense...) Kingston Penitentiary, Ontario Papillon Legendary Vampire

tobiasopdenbr...@notsocoldmail.com <tobiasop...@hotmail.com> wrote: > What would you add? Fear. Of. Mekhet.

On Mar 10, 2:55 pm, Chris Berger <ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote: > On Mar 10, 4:20 pm, Thrall of Arika <christopher.ack...@amec.com> > wrote:> Cards I'm considering: I should have clarified that these were in addition to the suggested cards. > > Ancient Influence > > Reins of Power > > Poliltical Stranglehold > > From a Sinking Ship ("My side's losing? Better go jump on the band > > wagon of the winning team!") > > Seems like these really hose small- and mid-caps. If I knew these > were in the Imperator deck, it would definitely change my > deckbuilding. Well, then they shouldn't be playing with the big boys and girls if they're not up to paying the price *grins* > > Political Backlash > > Seems nasty, but fun. There's not a lot of worry for voting, for the most part. A vote fails, and you shrug, and continue on. Of course, this is likely better in a player deck, since then it can't be planned against until it was too late. > > Regaining the Upper Hand > > Esteem > > No. Just terrible. Especially Esteem. Seems like more often than > not, someone's just going to play them to cycle them out of the > Imperator hand, if at all. Well, they're thematic, and they give ways for non-bleeders to get the edge. Never said they were great cards, one and all. :) > > Transfer of Power (A bit weak, but thematic) > > Definitely fun. > > > Alternative Clan Hosers: > > Judgement: Death to the Brujah! > > Malkavian Derangement: Alternate Personality > > Whispers of the Nictuku > > If you're going to do Clan Hosers, I think you need to do one for each > clan. Or else a whole deck of Malkavian Dementia! =) These were meant to be in addition to the suggested hosers, in this case Frenzy, Nosferatu Putrescence and Malkavian Dementia. > > Contesting and Clan In-fighting: > > Betrayer > > Clan Loyalty > > Conflict of Interests > > Praxis Solomon > > I like these for the Imperator deck. Maybe not Betrayer so much since > it may just clog up the Imperator hand, but the others definitely. You don't like a card, you can always use a master or discard phase action to discard it. Though I do agree, even in the more restricted environment, that Betrayer could be a 'wasted' card slot. But it fits in very well with the whole background of the tournament. > > Cards that seem thematic, but probably work better in a player's deck: > > Beyond Reproach > > This seems good for the Imperator deck. I was sort of teetering on such cards, as it requires having a certain title to even play. Though then again, there are Primogen cards in the suggested cards. Just too many cards! Oh well, I'm enjoying this already, and haven't even fully decided on what clan to play for yet. Chris, Thrall of Arika

[ quoted text not captured ] Hmm... 5x Anson 7x NonIC/Justi Whatever Crypt 75x Whatever Library 5x Parthenon 10x Fear of Mekhet I'd never noticed Fear of Mekhet isn't unique. And given the format, I can't think of a Tournament more likely to have adequate targets. You'ld need to seriously concern yourself with poolgain, but it'd make for an interesting (if turbulent and imbalancing) table. Morgan Vening

On Mar 10, 5:55 pm, Chris Berger <ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote: > Seems like these really hose small- and mid-caps. If I knew these > were in the Imperator deck, it would definitely change my > deckbuilding. Which brings up a good point; certainly if someone is running the storyline event and playing in it as well, it makes sense that the organizer/head judge make the contents of the Imperator deck known before the tournament (i.e. I'm running the local event and making the Imperator decks, and I'm going to send out the contents to the local list serve a week before the event). Presumably, everyone will know what is in the imperator deck before building a deck (especially if the person making the decks is playing too) -Peter

On Mar 10, 5:55 pm, Chris Berger <ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote: > On Mar 10, 4:20 pm, Thrall of Arika <christopher.ack...@amec.com> > > Regaining the Upper Hand > > Esteem > > No. Just terrible. Especially Esteem. Seems like more often than > not, someone's just going to play them to cycle them out of the > Imperator hand, if at all. Which would be my biggest concern with building an Imperator deck... making sure that the cards will cycle, because there's no reason to assume that the players will cycle cards that are useless. After all, it will cost them an MPA or DPA to do it, and it might expose something really good for their prey or really bad for them. If you don't have a second MPA to spend, you'll never get first grab of any good masters you turn up by discarding... so you'll probably end up spending your DPA as well just to discard the card before your prey gets it (unless, of course, you used a DPA to discard the original useless card... at which point, why are you giving another player first grab at a fresh card? I see the DPA option as purely preventative... use it to remove dangerous cards.) This is why you shouldn't have three of certain cards like clan hosers... if that clan isn't playing, they'll just take over the Imperator hand and jam it... even with two copies it could really shut down that element if they come up early. Too many cornercase cards can do likewise. I'm surprised that there wasn't a rule for an autoclear of the Imperator hand... something like "if play goes around the table (once? twice?) without a card from the Imperator hand being played, discard it and draw a new hand". Adding Rumours of Gehenna and The Parthenon to the Imperator deck to assure multiple MPAs will be available could be a good idea. Another good thing might be limiting the number of Masters... the better chance people have of drawing something they can use (without needing anything special like a second MPA) the more likely people will be to cycle useless cards in the Imperator hand. Anyways, getting back to the two cards I quoted above... Esteem is probably okay. As a modifier it doesn't really cost anything to use here, someone will eventually take a (D) action at the player with the edge (without going out of their way) and probably take advantage of it. Regaining the Upper Hand, though... I wouldn't go with it. I can see that sitting there for the rest of the game because no one wants to spend an action on it. Even if it does become The Right Thing(tm), it will probably spend an awfui long time just sitting there. It's probably okay if it was the only card in the deck likely to do that, but that's unlikely if you have hosers or cornercase cards. Brent Ross

[ quoted text not captured ] Hell, what about an imperator anarch deck? Just anarch cards. A little out of subject, but it would be quite fun. But no, I won't make it

[ quoted text not captured ] > out of subject, but it would be quite fun. But no, I won't make it- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I don't see it being fun at all, and in fact goes against the entire spirit of the Storyline. The Imperator is being chosen due to the fact that the Anarchs are causing so much trouble of late, in addition to all the Sabbat goings-on. Remember that there are going to be a lot of titled vampires about. So a lot of vampires are not going to be able to use anarch cards in the first place, with no way to go anarch. Frankly, I would bow out if such an ID was brought to the table to play. Now, if you are wanting to run a similar tournament, but for anarchs, that's completely different. My group will likely see about modifying the idea of this tournament to come up with one for Sabbat, and choosing a Regent. Pretty much the exact same thing, only with the main Sabbat clans, and with the title of Regent as the prize, with a Regent Deck built with various Sabbat goodness. I'm sure an Anarch version could be done as well. Perhaps I'm one of the few, but I actually want to play Camarilla, with Camarilla politics and in-fighting. Chris, Thrall of Arika

On Mar 12, 3:47 am, Thrall of Arika <christopher.ack...@amec.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] > Chris, Thrall of Arika- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Here Here! I am torn between the various Cam deck format I could play with the different clans. A politics deck is going to be a Nightmare at this tournament... there will be SOOO many ambient votes I'm inclined to just abandon the idea of getting any Political Actions (or cards that can be lost to Political Actions) to work. There will probably be a Royalty/Prince deck of almost every clan... I am just unsure where to head... Cel-Tremere + Menele (Oliver Thrace for Imperator) Ressurect the idea of Necromancy Tremere (Oliver Thrace, Valois Sang + Masquer Wraiths + Rutor's Hand) Brujah Bleed'n'Bash (*thinks hard about which Brujah would be Imperator...) Nos Royalty (Tammy Walenski, Echo, Ebenezer Roush, Harold Tanner, Sergei Voshkov) Toreador Gun-Wall (Not sure who I would nominate...) Malks With Guns (or flamers... Roxanne for Imperator!!!) Too many options... so much internal confusion... I hope I'm not turning Malk...