guenh...@usa.pipeline.com() writes:
>Greetings all, I've been lurking for a while, and thought I'd hop in.
>
>By way of intro (and I don't know what this says about my character) I'd
>like to present the most degenerate/excessive blood pool generator deck
>concept I've seen, let me know if there's a bigger one out there (I cringe
>at the thought).
>
> Start with one crypt full of really big vampires, all of the same
>capacity, or even identical.
>
> Bring one of them out a.s.a.p. say, Ulugh Beg.
> Play a Master:Skill card on him.
> Equip with Magic of the Smith, or equip as normal to get Soul Gem of
>Etrius.
That's fine so long as you can protect him. I've seen a similar deck
fall apart because the first vampire (an IC member) was sent to
torpor and diablerized (by a Gangrel Prey and a weenie of the predator,
respectively) immediately (before the IC ever got an action).
Losing 11 pool (and transfers) at the start of the game can really hurt.
A library filled with Master:Skill + Soul Gem/MagicSmithy + Golconda
Plus a crypt full of Ulugh Begs doesn't make for a very robust deck.
Easily defeated before you can really get going.
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guenh...@usa.pipeline.com wrote:
: Greetings all, I've been lurking for a while, and thought I'd hop in.:
: By way of intro (and I don't know what this says about my character) I'd
: like to present the most degenerate/excessive blood pool generator deck
: concept I've seen, let me know if there's a bigger one out there (I cringe
: at the thought).:
The problem with your idea is that when you run out of
Golconda's, you can't generate more pool that way. Sure, you'd
probably not need any more to win the game, but for true
degeneracy, try this on for size:
Use all small vampires (2 and 3 capacity) from all the clans.
Add a few copies of Anson (say, 4 or 5, depending on the size
of your crypt, about 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 chance of getting Anson)
for his multiple master card ability. In your library, use all
the hunting grounds from the clans you have represented (say,
2 or 3 of each), and all the blood dolls you may have, but no
more than one for each vampire in your crypt. Use also the
cards like Arcane Library which add pool to uncontrolled
vampires. Clan Justicar cards can be a fun, too. Add your
favorite cards to use with the masses of pool you will accrue,
given a little time (weapons are a good choice), and enjoy.
The deck is slow getting moving, but a great pool generator
after 4 turns or so. I was preying on it with a Tremere
combat/bleed deck, and by the time my deck got moving (another
relatively slow design) he was generating more pool each turn
from the hunting ground/blood doll combos and Arcane Museum-
like cards than I could bleed for, and the weenie vamps could
choose to sacrifice themselves for the bigger bleeds, if
necessary. I think the deck probably got a good bit of luck
and the advantage of the unexpected, but the game ended with
the weenies winning, and my prey ended up with more than 120
pool at the end of the game, with at least 12 vampires out. It
was amusing to watch my predator's Gangrel deck try and deal
with it after he ousted me.
-Wallpaper Paste
for all those useless cards
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guenh...@usa.pipeline.com() wrote:
> Greetings all, I've been lurking for a while, and thought I'd hop in.
>
> By way of intro (and I don't know what this says about my character) I'd
> like to present the most degenerate/excessive blood pool generator deck
> concept I've seen, let me know if there's a bigger one out there (I cringe
> at the thought).
>> Start with one crypt full of really big vampires, all of the same
> capacity, or even identical.
>
> Bring one of them out a.s.a.p. say, Ulugh Beg.
>
> Play a Master:Skill card on him.
>
> Equip with Magic of the Smith, or equip as normal to get Soul Gem of
> Etrius.
>> When drawn, Golconda, to gain 11 pool and have the next crypt vampire
> inherit the Soul Gem, who happens to be, Surprise!! Ulugh Beg, (and he just
> happens to be a cap. 10 vamp, younger than his evil twin, Embraced mere
> minutes before him). How much blood do you want with this deck... well,
> how many Golcondas can you trade for?
> Include a Progeny/The Embrace concept for lots of little Obf. bleeders,
> and you've got a solid lead, with about 40 to 60 pool for your predator to
> get through. It uses removed cards (for what that's worth), but if you're
> going to be excessive....
> (Don't think poorly of me for presenting this...)
> --
> "Just another of the masses with an
> account named after the cat..."
>
> R. David Zopf
The problem with this, as I see it, is that a.s.a.p. for Ulugh Beg and his
nice little friends are... *drumroll* three turns. (two if you get the
info highway out. And you depend deeply on getting the right cards. Every
turn you need a skill card and a golconda.
The demented combo I would prefer, works only on Malkies though. And you'd
better have a rumors of gehenna or Anson out.
Combo:
You need two Malkavian dementia, one minion tap, one golconda.
Turn one: You dement the top Malkie preferably Lucien or Leandro. then use
your second master action to minion tap him for all that he's got.
Turn two: You dement the same Malk and the show him Golconda.
Hey presto! Twenty more or less instant blood and one less bigbadmalk to
worry about.
I figure the cardrate in a 60 card deck with a 12 vamp crypt would be
something like:
4 Malkavian dementia
4 Minon tap
(since these are the most usful cards anyway)
2 Golconda
2 Rumors of gehenna
3 Anson
But even this combo is highly irreliable. So be warned:-)
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guenh...@usa.pipeline.com wrote:
: Start with one crypt full of really big vampires, all of the same
: capacity, or even identical.
Ok, sounds good so far.
: Bring one of them out a.s.a.p. say, Ulugh Beg.
Costing 10 pool or so, and multiple turns during which a smaller crypt deck
will probably already be working on you.
: Play a Master:Skill card on him.
Fair enough.
: Equip with Magic of the Smith, or equip as normal to get Soul Gem of
: Etrius.
Fair enough, though I don't think I would have let you equip with the Soul
Gem if I could help it... ;)
: When drawn, Golconda, to gain 11 pool and have the next crypt vampire: inherit the Soul Gem, who happens to be, Surprise!! Ulugh Beg, (and he just
: happens to be a cap. 10 vamp, younger than his evil twin, Embraced mere
: minutes before him). How much blood do you want with this deck... well,
: how many Golcondas can you trade for?
Well, remember that you need to be able to put a new skill card on the new
Ulugh Beg.
: Include a Progeny/The Embrace concept for lots of little Obf. bleeders,: and you've got a solid lead, with about 40 to 60 pool for your predator to
: get through. It uses removed cards (for what that's worth), but if you're
: going to be excessive....
And again, I don't know about a solid lead against people who are actually
paying attention. Sudden Reversals, rushes, steal and destroy equipment folks,
not to mention hand jam from the master card intensive combo...
And by the time you get 40 pool (30 - 10 + 11 + 11???) you will have taken
how many turns? At least two to get out Ulugh, probably 3. Master phase
to get the skill card and one action to equip with the soul gem. Then a
golconda and one action to (progeny?). Than you need to spend _another_
master phase to get a skill card to make it work the second time, and you
get a second action, then golconda and an action.
At which point, provided you took all three actions AND nobody blocked you
AND nobody has bled you AND you've still got the soul gem, it's 6 or 7 turns
into the game. Maybe 8, depending.
And how many Obf skill cards do you plan to need? One for each Ulugh...
I could seeing it working once, maybe twice.
Sounds like fun, I just don't see it as a deck that can win (_TOO_ expensive
if things go wrong).
I'm sure others will disagree with me. Such is life.
-spongy
On 26 Jun 1996 23:56:40 GMT, guenh...@usa.pipeline.com() wrote:
>Greetings all, I've been lurking for a while, and thought I'd hop in.
Greetings.
>
>By way of intro (and I don't know what this says about my character) I'd
>like to present the most degenerate/excessive blood pool generator deck
>concept I've seen, let me know if there's a bigger one out there (I cringe
>at the thought).
>> Start with one crypt full of really big vampires, all of the same
>capacity, or even identical.
>> Bring one of them out a.s.a.p. say, Ulugh Beg.
>> Play a Master:Skill card on him.
>> Equip with Magic of the Smith, or equip as normal to get Soul Gem of
>Etrius.
>>R. David Zopf
Old idea.
Nonetheless it works. Add minion taps, and the Arcane Libray to use
on your spare Ulgh begs in the inactive region to add to your pool,
thefts to fill up your Progeny at your preys expense as well.
Rory
The Ref at refp...@best.com
>with it after he ousted me.>-Wallpaper Paste
>for all those useless cards
120 pool?
We have a member who has several variations on blood gain decks. This
is related to one of his betterones, except he used a lot of fortitude
(restoration) also.
I've seen that deck win against weenie bleed; S&B; Vote; and combat.
Usually we never finish a game with it and after a certain point the
remaining players yield.
It is discouraging to bleed and have him just take it and still net a
pool advantage.
[ quoted text not captured ]
On 27 Jun 1996 16:56:43 GMT, sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu (L. Scott
Johnson) wrote:
Why don't you rain on his parade...
Rory, A Kinder Gentler Meth
The Ref at refp...@best.com
Harald Åberg wrote:
>
> In article <4qsino$a...@news1.t1.usa.pipeline.com>,> guenh...@usa.pipeline.com() wrote:
>
> > Greetings all, I've been lurking for a while, and thought I'd hop in.
> >> > By way of intro (and I don't know what this says about my character) I'd
> > like to present the most degenerate/excessive blood pool generator deck
> > concept I've seen, let me know if there's a bigger one out there (I cringe
> > at the thought).
> >
> > Start with one crypt full of really big vampires, all of the same
> > capacity, or even identical.
> >
> > Bring one of them out a.s.a.p. say, Ulugh Beg.
> >
> > Play a Master:Skill card on him.
> >
> > Equip with Magic of the Smith, or equip as normal to get Soul Gem of
> > Etrius.
> >> > When drawn, Golconda, to gain 11 pool and have the next crypt vampire
> > inherit the Soul Gem, who happens to be, Surprise!! Ulugh Beg, (and he just
> > happens to be a cap. 10 vamp, younger than his evil twin, Embraced mere
> > minutes before him). How much blood do you want with this deck... well,
> > how many Golcondas can you trade for?> > Include a Progeny/The Embrace concept for lots of little Obf. bleeders,
> > and you've got a solid lead, with about 40 to 60 pool for your predator to
> > get through. It uses removed cards (for what that's worth), but if you're
> > going to be excessive....[ quoted text not captured ]
What you are both forgetting mabe becauseit doesn't happen in your play
group but what happens when your master cards start getting sudden
reversaled? especially the Golconda one because it relys very heavily on
that card you won't gain much when you opponents are doind that to you
every round because they know what you are trying to do.
Errol T.
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dc...@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Zaphod Beeblebrox) wrote:
> Use all small vampires (2 and 3 capacity) from all the clans.
> Add a few copies of Anson (say, 4 or 5, depending on the size
> of your crypt, about 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 chance of getting Anson)
> for his multiple master card ability. In your library, use all
> the hunting grounds from the clans you have represented (say,
> 2 or 3 of each), and all the blood dolls you may have, but no
> more than one for each vampire in your crypt. Use also the
> cards like Arcane Library which add pool to uncontrolled
> vampires. Clan Justicar cards can be a fun, too. Add your
> favorite cards to use with the masses of pool you will accrue,
> given a little time (weapons are a good choice), and enjoy.
...and hope that your predator doen't have Arika. ;-)
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