Baali

Is there anyone who have succeded in building a Baali-deck that is playable? With playable i mean that there isnt a better clan which can do the same thing. I have thoughts about ignoring the infernal rule as a houserule... Anyone with ideas what to do with this sucky bloodline? jk

On 18 Aug 2002 18:09:18 -0700, lizard...@hotmail.com (lizardusrex) wrote: >Is there anyone who have succeded in building a Baali-deck that is >playable? Yes. Derek Ray has 1 or 2 that run fairly well. >With playable i mean that there isnt a better clan which can >do the same thing. No such thing. The Baali are designed as a self-handicapping feature for players that feel they need that little something extra to challenge them against either their regular playgroup or their local tournament scene. >I have thoughts about ignoring the infernal rule as a houserule... And disregard the self-handicap? Why not just build your own vampires and play with them? Damnan's VTES http://www.almadrava.net/damnans VTES Custom Mailing List http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VTES_Custom/ All the new cards you could ever want http://www.thelasombra.com/newcards.htm >Anyone with ideas what to do with this sucky bloodline? Bleed. Vote. Enter Combat. Win. Lose. Make a lot of 900# phone calls to the Great Beast. Curl up and die. Use them as separators for your other cards. Cut them up into cubes to use as counters for other games. Practice throwing cards into watermelons. Have fun. Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://www.thelasombra.com/ClanPages/baali/

>Is there anyone who have succeded in building a Baali-deck that is >playable? With playable i mean that there isnt a better clan which can >do the same thing. It's good that you clarified as I wouldn't use the word "playable". "Worthwhile" or something to describe what you are after. >I have thoughts about ignoring the infernal rule as a houserule... > >Anyone with ideas what to do with this sucky bloodline? Build strange decks. Then, convince everyone that your deck sucks so they don't screw with you (much). Lots of games are won on table politics.

"lizardusrex" <lizard...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:882ee023.02081...@posting.google.com... [ quoted text not captured ] I haven't played the Baali much myself, but Josh Duffin is known for his crazy Huitzo with a Soul Gem Calls the Great Beast Decks. They actually have a decent chance at ousting provided that the Great Beast is at home when you call him. Not only that, but the fact that you can choose the disciplines of the great beast allows you to experiment with discipline combinations that you wouldn't otherwise see. The only problem there is that generally you want to give the GB disciplines that Huitzo already has, otherwise your GB is doing all the work and Huitzo (once you get another copy of him via Soul Gem) can't use all of those neat cards in your hand. Peteo wonders when the GB will return his calls

thela...@hotmail.com (The Lasombra) wrote in message news:<3d6047ea...@text.giganews.com>... > On 18 Aug 2002 18:09:18 -0700, lizard...@hotmail.com (lizardusrex) > wrote: > > >Is there anyone who have succeded in building a Baali-deck that is > >playable? > > Yes. > Derek Ray has 1 or 2 that run fairly well. I found the Baali, very challenging to work with, but after a coupla attempts, I began to relish the look on peoples faces as Hui hits the table. I mean the Condemnations are mostly fun, and Contagion is downright evil, the combat cards are sadisticn and overall, the Baali provide a necessary (and welcome) respite from the same old humdrum decks. While I only have 50-60%win factor with them, I look forward to expending upon the Infernal Clan. > >With playable i mean that there isnt a better clan which can > >do the same thing. > > No such thing. > The Baali are designed as a self-handicapping feature for players that > feel they need that little something extra to challenge them against > either their regular playgroup or their local tournament scene. > As such, are to be played with the greatest of caution and enjoyment. Sides their Condemnations are permanent unless you replace them, thats just too much fun. :) > >I have thoughts about ignoring the infernal rule as a houserule... > > And disregard the self-handicap? Why not just build your own vampires > and play with them? > > Damnan's VTES > http://www.almadrava.net/damnans > > VTES Custom Mailing List > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VTES_Custom/ > > All the new cards you could ever want > http://www.thelasombra.com/newcards.htm > Hey go hard, disregard the Infernal rule, discover how powerful they become instantaneously, it's your choice. > > >Anyone with ideas what to do with this sucky bloodline? > > Bleed. > Vote. > Enter Combat. > Win. > Lose. > Make a lot of 900# phone calls to the Great Beast. > Curl up and die. > Use them as separators for your other cards. > Cut them up into cubes to use as counters for other games. > Practice throwing cards into watermelons. > Have fun. Or dont have fun, :P [ quoted text not captured ]

lizardusrex <lizard...@hotmail.com> escribió en el mensaje de noticias 882ee023.02081...@posting.google.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Well, in our local playgroup, I must asure that Damnans is really in love with this clan. Until now, he has built about 5 decks around baalis, and 2 of them had had some kind of success. Basically, a heavy bleeder with gioto, angra, maria and small caps with dom, and a heavy load (13-15) of Comdemnation:Betrayed which he plays on his predator. When almost all of his predator's vamps got one, he continues playing them on his grand-predator, and so forth. A few deflections, 8 blood dolls, 10 social charms and stealth enough (earns pool to untap them next turn). His idea with this deck is that with Com:Betrayed, he slows down his predator and deplets their library, so if he manages to eliminate his prey and grand prey the last players face almost none opposition. Has won a few games. The other one is plainly a headache to built up. It's objective is to erase the full library of any other player with a simple combat with that player. Huiztlipochtli equips with sargon fragment, a concordance, a meat hook and an ex-nihilo. Plays a storm sewers in play. Performs an action eager to be blocked tapping storm sewers.(mind-rape, for instance) then plays thoughts betrayed and fear of the void below and starts hitting for 0 with his meat hook, pressing until opponent looses all the cards in his deck and hand. Obviously, he had never achieved it objective, there is allways a vamp with pot on the table that successfully breaks his meat hook, or a direct at any of the 16 given cards, or whatever.=P After seeing a few games with this deck, i have no doubt that the infernal cost is worth. Their cards are thrilling. He also has built an assamite deck with Call of GB. Yes, you can asure he is as plainly insane as his favorite clan Tom

Tom, Mad & Co <t...@almadrava.net> escribió en el mensaje de noticias ajqhb3$ked$1...@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net... [ quoted text not captured ] This comment ammend to the first deck, obviously. The other one is useless [ quoted text not captured ]

Tom, Mad & Co wrote: > The other one is plainly a headache to built up. It's objective is to erase > the full library of any other player with a simple combat with that player. > Huiztlipochtli equips with sargon fragment, a concordance, a meat hook and > an ex-nihilo. Plays a storm sewers in play. Performs an action eager to be > blocked tapping storm sewers.(mind-rape, for instance) then plays thoughts > betrayed and fear of the void below and starts hitting for 0 with his meat > hook, pressing until opponent looses all the cards in his deck and hand. > Obviously, he had never achieved it objective, there is allways a vamp with > pot on the table that successfully breaks his meat hook, or a direct at any > of the 16 given cards, or whatever.=P One player in my group came up with this idea, not sure if Damnans thought the same or took it from my comments in this ng. 'Our' version included Cailean for the range setting. You'd have to give him DAI using combinations of Vials of Elder Vitae and Sanguine Instruction, but it would get around the 'need to block', and mostly avoid POT and S:CE because you could just rush (at stealth) some weak minion who didn't have POT and couldn't S:CE. He'd use small minions for the equip/SI actions so that the set up could be done reasonably fast, but he'd be vulnerable to agg damage (no Concordance). He did manage to set the combo off a couple of times, but I wasn't there to see it. Flux

"Tom, Mad & Co" wrote: > lizardusrex <lizard...@hotmail.com> escribió en el mensaje de noticias > 882ee023.02081...@posting.google.com... > > Is there anyone who have succeded in building a Baali-deck that is > > playable? With playable i mean that there isnt a better clan which can > > do the same thing. > > > > I have thoughts about ignoring the infernal rule as a houserule... > > > > Anyone with ideas what to do with this sucky bloodline? > > > > jk > > Well, in our local playgroup, I must asure that Damnans is really in love > with this clan. Until now, he has built about 5 decks around baalis, and 2 > of them had had some kind of success. Basically, a heavy bleeder with gioto, > angra, maria and small caps with dom, and a heavy load (13-15) of > Comdemnation:Betrayed which he plays on his predator. When almost all of his > predator's vamps got one, he continues playing them on his grand-predator, > and so forth. A few deflections, 8 blood dolls, 10 social charms and stealth > enough (earns pool to untap them next turn). His idea with this deck is that > with Com:Betrayed, he slows down his predator and deplets their library, so > if he manages to eliminate his prey and grand prey the last players face > almost none opposition. Has won a few games. Ahem!. I think you have forgotten 2 of my decks ;-) One of them is a Baali deck based on Huitzilopochtli, The Unblockable, and Le Dinh Tho. Huitzilopochtli bleeds with a Legal Manipulations, also declaring a Seduction and a Sleeping Mind. If there is a minion attempting to block, you play Psychomachia; and if there is still another minion attempting to block, you play superior Elder Impersonation. The deck also has a bit of stealth, just in case. When nobody blocks, Huitzilopochtli plays Sense the Sin at superior. I play with a couple of Pulse of the Canaille, The Coven, Blood Dolls, Obediences, Deflections, and low capacity vampires with AUS and obf, or AUS and dom. The other Baali deck you forgot is my "DIE IN A SINGLE TURN". This deck's crypt consists of low capacity vampires with Vicissitude, plus Giotto Verducci and Mary the Black. Bring out the youngsters, Uriah Winter, and one Baali. The Baali plays Condemnation: Doomed on a vampire controlled by your prey with a capacity as low as possible (otherwise, your Uriah Winter could be a suitable target, should he become controlled by your prey). Your youngsters with Vicissitude should play Atonements and other permanent intercept cards. And you should play a Vampiric Disease on the Doomed vampire. Once that vampire is empty and has to hunt, your prey is Doomed, since you block him or her with your youngsters with Atonements. Combat occurs and you play Meld with the Land at inferior in order to untap de Doomed and Diseased vampire. According to the new CE rules, that vampire must hunt again, so you attempt to block him or her again and again, untapping him or her with MwtL over and over again until your prey is ousted due to the pool loss caused by Condemnation: Doomed's superior effect. This deck can also be improved with Fame, Society of Leopold, etc. The Baali is the best clan ever >:-) Greetings, Damnans

lizard...@hotmail.com (lizardusrex) wrote in message news:<882ee023.02081...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] And, of course, Wouter slotted 3 of my Huitzi's in his anson-anarch revolt deck last weekend... but that doesn't make it a baali deck. (I'll leave it to him whether he wants to describe it in detail) Tobias Deventer http://deventerbynight.freewebspace.com

Lizardusrex wrote: > Is there anyone who have succeded in building a Baali-deck that is > playable? Sure--lots of folks. Are they going to dominate the tournament scene or anything? Probably not, but they are playable as a clan and can mix in with other clans pretty well too. Yeah, the vampires all cost a pool a turn, more or less, but they are all very efficient vampires with powerful special abilities, and their pitchfork discipline has a lot of good stuff going on about it. > With playable i mean that there isnt a better clan which can > do the same thing. Not really. Yeah, they share two disciplines with the Settites (Obf and Pre), but Daimionion or whatever it is called has some very powerful cards. The basic, no brainer Baali deck is the presence S+B deck, using Legal Manipulations at superior to pay for the Baali disadvantage, and then using a few pitchfork cards (like the one that sets combat to long range as a default and the one that does ranged aggrivated damage) to deter ot survive combat (from being blocked or rushed). Adjust to taste. Peter D Bakija PD...@bigplanet.com http://www.myplanet.net/pdb6 "Grr! Release the Monkey!" -Zim

[ quoted text not captured ] I make funny decks involving Heralds of Topeth. My current deck is basically Weenie presence bleed with Mary the Black and Heralds as Rush and Kill to make the bleeding easier. And to Rush the predators that could kill me. The deck has a tendency to kill itself if I don't oust my first prey quickly. Losing 3 per turn is hard to handle. Anyway, comments welcome, except for 'Just play weenie presence its much more effective.' I already know that. Deck Name: Heralds of Presence Created By: Colin Riggs Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 5, Max: 28, Avg: 3.92) --------------------------------------------- 1 Igo the Hungry pre pro 1, Caitiff 1 Antoinette DuChamp cel pre 1, Caitiff 1 Angela Decker pre 1, Pander 1 Vasilis pre 2, Brujah 1 Frederick the Weak pre 2, Brujah Antitribu 1 Delilah Easton pre 2, Toreador 1 Gideon Fontaine PRE 3, Ventrue 5 Mary the Black cel DAI obf pot PRE 7, Baali Library: (75 cards) ------------------- Master (14 cards) 1 Anarch Troublemaker 3 Effective Management 1 Misdirection 4 Presence 5 Tribute to the Master Action (22 cards) 5 Bum's Rush 4 Media Influence 10 Social Charm 3 Summoning, The Action Modifier (4 cards) 4 Aire of Elation Combat (31 cards) 3 Conflagration 10 Immortal Grapple 8 Majesty 10 Pounce Ally (4 cards) 4 Herald of Topheth

"Tom, Mad & Co" <t...@almadrava.net> wrote in message news:<ajqhb3> > Huiztlipochtli equips with sargon fragment, a concordance, a meat hook and > an ex-nihilo. Plays a storm sewers in play. Performs an action eager to be > blocked tapping storm sewers.(mind-rape, for instance) then plays thoughts > betrayed and fear of the void below and starts hitting for 0 with his meat > hook, pressing until opponent looses all the cards in his deck and hand. > Obviously, he had never achieved it objective, there is allways a vamp with > pot on the table that successfully breaks his meat hook, or a direct at any > of the 16 given cards, or whatever.=P Q: How do storm sewers and fear of the void interact? Do they cancel each other out? Which takes precendence (one defaults to close range, another to long range)?

Ped Xing wrote: > Q: How do storm sewers and fear of the void interact? Do they cancel > each other out? Which takes precendence (one defaults to close range, > another to long range)? First one played/used wins out. That, in this case, is Storm Sewers. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

Flux wrote: > Tom, Mad & Co wrote: > > The other one is plainly a headache to built up. It's objective is to erase > > the full library of any other player with a simple combat with that player. > > Huiztlipochtli equips with sargon fragment, a concordance, a meat hook and > > an ex-nihilo. Plays a storm sewers in play. Performs an action eager to be > > blocked tapping storm sewers.(mind-rape, for instance) then plays thoughts > > betrayed and fear of the void below and starts hitting for 0 with his meat > > hook, pressing until opponent looses all the cards in his deck and hand. > > Obviously, he had never achieved it objective, there is allways a vamp with > > pot on the table that successfully breaks his meat hook, or a direct at any > > of the 16 given cards, or whatever.=P > > One player in my group came up with this idea, not sure if Damnans > thought the same or took it from my comments in this ng. No. I thought the same together with The Nosferatu Stuff. We came up with this idea last year. > 'Our' version included Cailean for the range setting. You'd have to give > him DAI using combinations of Vials of Elder Vitae and Sanguine > Instruction, but it would get around the 'need to block', and mostly > avoid POT and S:CE because you could just rush (at stealth) some weak > minion who didn't have POT and couldn't S:CE. He'd use small minions for > the equip/SI actions so that the set up could be done reasonably fast, > but he'd be vulnerable to agg damage (no Concordance). "Our" deck was primarily based on Cailean as well, who learned superior Daimoinon via Clan Impersonation (Tremere Antitribu) and Infernal Pact, a much more "easy" way than using Vials of Elder Vitae and Sanguine Instructions. Greetings, Damnans

Damnans wrote: > > Flux wrote: >>One player in my group came up with this idea, not sure if Damnans >>thought the same or took it from my comments in this ng. > > > No. I thought the same together with The Nosferatu Stuff. We came up with this > idea last year. Hey, great minds think alike ;) I can't remember when he thought of it (I could look through Google for the posts, but I'm too lazy), though I'm sure he came up with the basic idea by himself. I helped with the setup and tuning. >>'Our' version included Cailean for the range setting. You'd have to give >>him DAI using combinations of Vials of Elder Vitae and Sanguine >>Instruction, but it would get around the 'need to block', and mostly >>avoid POT and S:CE because you could just rush (at stealth) some weak >>minion who didn't have POT and couldn't S:CE. He'd use small minions for >>the equip/SI actions so that the set up could be done reasonably fast, >>but he'd be vulnerable to agg damage (no Concordance). > > "Our" deck was primarily based on Cailean as well, who learned superior Daimoinon > via Clan Impersonation (Tremere Antitribu) and Infernal Pact, a much more "easy" > way than using Vials of Elder Vitae and Sanguine Instructions. I think we went with the SI+Vials because you also have to give him Nec for the Ex-Nihilo, and then you can't use another Infernal Pact. With Vials you can give Cailean Nec if necessary (ie, you fail to draw any Nec masters). And having some small minions around can be very usefull (Blood Dolls, etc) Flux

>> Q: How do storm sewers and fear of the void interact? Do they cancel >> each other out? Which takes precendence (one defaults to close range, >> another to long range)? > >First one played/used wins out. That, in this case, is Storm Sewers. Also, don't forget that Storm Sewers actually sets range whereas Fear of the Void Below just changes the default (and doesn't actually set range). Halcyan 2

Damnans <damna...@ono.com> wrote in message news:<3D60E2A3...@ono.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] Truly a evil deck Damnans ( Gines), does it work ok in game?? I think so... Pain! > The Baali is the best clan ever >:-) > Disagree , the best clan EVER is , of course Follower of Set!!!! :-p WEll, both clans have similar tactics cause both have Ofus + Pre and a different but cool discipline which allow us great combos and LOTS of fun. > Greetings, > Damnans SET CALL愀 ALL!!!! ( here 2) Best Regards: a spanish drunken guy... :-P