new preview from inquest ..

here is the cards from the inquest : The Baron Samedi 9 Blood OBF THAN NEC FOR dom 2 votes, +1 bleed, during your untap phase, if the Baron is ready you may look at the hand of each Methuselah controlling a rwady Giovanni. Huitzilopochtli Baali 10 blood OBF PRE DAI DOM POT AUS Infernal, +1 bleed, and during your master phase you may burn a pool to gain a master phase if Huitzilopochtli is ready it seems that one must pay one or tap all of his infernal at the beginning of his master phase.. what do you think of them ?

On 9 Nov 2001 03:37:08 -0800, arwall wrote: >here is the cards from the inquest : > >The Baron >Huitzilopochtli > >what do you think of them ? The art is poor. The Baron is the sort of cartoony stuff that sank On the Edge. Huitzilopochtli is a ludicrous Shy piece - the usual sepia head with black eyes. No discernable Aztec theme but the guy does have a pair of fake-looking ram's horns. Echoes of a depressing show I watched last night called Orcadia. Supposedly a comedy, it showed two women losers playing a LARP, trying to get a kick from equally lame guys dressed in horns as Herne the Hunter. A real downer. WW clearly need to be roasted hard about this otherwise we're going to get keep getting more of the same. The Lasombra says that no-one with any influence reads this newsgroup. How can we get this message across? Andrew

> WW clearly need to be roasted hard about this otherwise we're going to > get keep getting more of the same. I don't know about "roasted". However, hopefully something will happen to get them to start using other artist's works. I'm getting so sick of seeing a majority of the art coming from Shy and Snelly. I've only seen very few pieces by either that were even halfway decent. > The Lasombra says that no-one with any influence reads this newsgroup. I wouldn't say that. LSJ reads the NG. I believe I've seen Steve Wieck post to the NG before (though, I could be wrong) > How can we get this message across? Send an email to either LSJ or Steve. Sorrow --- "Our fathers were our models for God. If they bailed, what does that tell you about God? You have to be prepared for the possibility that God does not like you." - Tyler Durden

thoughts, thoughts, thoughts.... > The Baron > Samedi > 9 Blood > OBF THAN NEC FOR dom > 2 votes, +1 bleed, during your untap phase, if the Baron is ready you > may > look at the hand of each Methuselah controlling a rwady Giovanni. > The Ventrue are going to get on famously with this gentleman. Goes well with Arika and Queen Anne and has 2 votes and 2 bleed. the special ability is bollocks and superior NEC is never going to set the world on fire, but all in all a powerful yet well balanced vampire. Nice job WW. As for how powerful Thanatosis turns out to be is anyones guess, but the obf/for/dom discipline spread just got a lot more viable. He does have THAN though, and there is likely to be a limited number of vampires with access to teh superior discipline given the lack of vamps/clan and the (relatively) large number of clans in this set seen so far. > Huitzilopochtli > Baali > 10 blood > OBF PRE DAI DOM POT AUS > Infernal, +1 bleed, and during your master phase you may burn a pool > to gain > a master phase if Huitzilopochtli is ready > Ugh!....too...many...disciplines... He fits into a variety to 3/4 skill decks and may be one of the only DAI options available, but even so. No votes, 10 cap, costs you 1 a turn and has a dodgey special. Unless Daimoininion (whatever) gives him some combat options I can see him getting beaten on too. I remain unconvinced about this dude. > > it seems that one must pay one or tap all of his infernal at the > beginning of his master phase.. > > what do you think of them ? All very interesting. I think the fairy men seem more interesting. mattgreen

"arwall" <arw...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:3c5617c7.01110...@posting.google.com... [ quoted text not captured ] What's the number of the Inquest issue? I need to know in order to order it. I don't think the store in Stockholm who has it has gotten it yet, but need the # to know. Roger

> >> WW clearly need to be roasted hard about this otherwise we're going to >> get keep getting more of the same. > >I don't know about "roasted". However, hopefully something will happen >to get them to start using other artist's works. I'm getting so sick of >seeing >a majority of the art coming from Shy and Snelly. I've only seen very few >pieces by either that were even halfway decent. > >> The Lasombra says that no-one with any influence reads this newsgroup. > >I wouldn't say that. LSJ reads the NG. I believe I've seen Steve Wieck >post to the NG before (though, I could be wrong) > >> How can we get this message across? > >Send an email to either LSJ or Steve. > >Sorrow Well, one thing you could do is have some of your artist friends submit samples of their work to White Wolf. I did this for a friend of mine, though she and I remain unconvinced that WW is really looking for new (unknown) artists. Seems like the gaming industry has forgotten that untill Magic came out, you never heard of most of these people before (Shy, Snelly, Hoover, etc..). You'd think that game companies would cultivate new talent while they're still affordable. Harumpf, Bernie B.

"Sorrow" <jcb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:X_QG7.189$fg.6...@newshog.newsread.com... > > WW clearly need to be roasted hard about this otherwise we're going to > > get keep getting more of the same. > > I don't know about "roasted". However, hopefully something will happen > to get them to start using other artist's works. I'm getting so sick of seeing > a majority of the art coming from Shy and Snelly. I've only seen very few > pieces by either that were even halfway decent. > > > The Lasombra says that no-one with any influence reads this newsgroup. > > I wouldn't say that. LSJ reads the NG. I believe I've seen Steve Wieck > post to the NG before (though, I could be wrong) Rich Thomas and Brian Glass have no association to this newsgroup to the best of my knowledge. You can complain to L. Scott Johnson or Steve Wieck, but Rich Thomas and Brian Glass are the only ones responsible for the desicions on the artwork. Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com -- Posted from rr-163-53-90.atl.attbroadband.com [24.163.53.90] via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

> The Baron > Samedi > 9 Blood > OBF THAN NEC FOR dom > 2 votes, +1 bleed, during your untap phase, if the Baron is ready you > may look at the hand of each Methuselah controlling a ready Giovanni. Oh, I have plans for The Baron, yes I do...he fits beautifully with Potchtli (NEC OBF POT dom) and with Egothha (AUS FOR NEC obf) in a NEC OBF deck with maybe some dom and FOR toys. > Huitzilopochtli > Baali > 10 blood > OBF PRE DAI DOM POT AUS > Infernal, +1 bleed, and during your master phase you may burn a pool > to gain a master phase if Huitzilopochtli is ready > it seems that one must pay one or tap all of his infernal at the > beginning of his master phase.. Big vamp! Big weakness! I love it! Five beloved superior disciplines, plus DAI which will surely add some spice. Not sure what the weakness means, though. Controller must pay one pool, or Infernal vamps must pay one blood?

Are these cards in the magazine or just previewed in the magazine? "arwall" <arw...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:3c5617c7.01110...@posting.google.com... [ quoted text not captured ]

In message <75bdf7ed.01110...@posting.google.com>, Emmit Svenson <emmits...@hotmail.com> writes: >> The Baron >> Samedi >> 9 Blood >> OBF THAN NEC FOR dom >> 2 votes, +1 bleed, during your untap phase, if the Baron is ready you >> may look at the hand of each Methuselah controlling a ready Giovanni. > > Oh, I have plans for The Baron, yes I do...he fits beautifully >with Potchtli (NEC OBF POT dom) and with Egothha (AUS FOR NEC obf) in >a NEC OBF deck with maybe some dom and FOR toys. Do a few nasty Dominate based bleeds. If blocked, stealth them (for expedience) or play Dawn Operation. Go into combat. Prevent their damage, send them to torpor. Sacrificial Lamb blood gain. Minion Tap pool gain. Daemonic Possession. (Stealth as necessary.) Moving parts aplenty, but toolboxy and kinda fun. -- James Coupe Everybody knows that "No" means "Yes" PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D Just like glasses come free on the NHS EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 But the more I look through them the more I see 13D7E668C3695D623D5D I'm becoming more like Alfie

In message <3c5617c7.01110...@posting.google.com>, arwall <arw...@my-deja.com> writes: >The Baron >Samedi >9 Blood >OBF THAN NEC FOR dom >2 votes, +1 bleed, during your untap phase, if the Baron is ready you >may >look at the hand of each Methuselah controlling a rwady Giovanni. Paging Noal, paging Noal... Presumably, you're already working out new Trojan Horse Strategies this? :-) [ quoted text not captured ]

> The Baron > Samedi > 9 Blood > OBF THAN NEC FOR dom > 2 votes, +1 bleed, during your untap phase, if the Baron is ready you > may look at the hand of each Methuselah controlling a rwady Giovanni. That confirms my hunch that necromancy will at least be on a smattering of the Samedi, if not a significant number. Woo-hoo! > Huitzilopochtli > Baali > 10 blood > OBF PRE DAI DOM POT AUS > Infernal, +1 bleed, and during your master phase you may burn a pool > to gain a master phase if Huitzilopochtli is ready > > > it seems that one must pay one or tap all of his infernal at the > beginning of his master phase.. Six superiors? Wow. I'd almost say he alone is worth paying a pool each turn for. Hmm...Six possible master phase actions in a turn.... Fanboy

"Jon Stahler" <sta...@ilir.uiuc.edu> wrote in message news:kyTG7.4519$Wa1....@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu... [About The Baron and Huitzilopochtli] > Are these cards in the magazine or just previewed in the magazine? They are not promo cards, but visual promos within the mag itself, issue number 80, page 26. [ quoted text not captured ]

"The Fanboy" <texas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:f99d61c5.01110...@posting.google.com... > > Huitzilopochtli > > Baali > > 10 blood > > OBF PRE DAI DOM POT AUS > > Infernal, +1 bleed, and during your master phase you may burn a pool > > to gain a master phase if Huitzilopochtli is ready > > > > > > it seems that one must pay one or tap all of his infernal at the > > beginning of his master phase.. > > Six superiors? Wow. I'd almost say he alone is worth paying a pool > each turn for. Hmm...Six possible master phase actions in a turn.... You can only burn pool one time per master phase to gain a master phase action. Note the text "during" X "you may" Y. "During phase X, do Y" limits Y to once per phase X. [LSJ 19970625] http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulings.html You can get 5 total master phase actions now. One (normal) Two (Anson or Rumors of Gehenna - not one for each) Three (The Parthenon) Four (Sarrasine) Five (Huitzilopochtli) [ quoted text not captured ]

arw...@my-deja.com (arwall) wrote in message news:<3c5617c7.01110...@posting.google.com>... > here is the cards from the inquest : > > The Baron > Samedi > 9 Blood > OBF THAN NEC FOR dom > 2 votes, +1 bleed, during your untap phase, if the Baron is ready you > may > look at the hand of each Methuselah controlling a rwady Giovanni. > > Huitzilopochtli > Baali > 10 blood > OBF PRE DAI DOM POT AUS > Infernal, +1 bleed, and during your master phase you may burn a pool > to gain > a master phase if Huitzilopochtli is ready What, are both of these in the new inquest? (what issue?). And um... what's DAI and THAN? ANd wow... I haven't seen ANY vampire with 6 disc in the superior... Thats impressive... And with AUS (a pulse), PRE (aire to elation), Govern with command of the beast and govern... that's a lotta bleed. all at +whatever stealth you can muster from OBF... and his extra masterage can get you both a sudden reversal and a continquency plans. No deflect and no archon inverstigation... interesting. Add obeys to stay out of combat and delaying tactics to keep politics out of play, and you have a 10 cap horror. Just thoughts... ~SV

vermillian wrote: > and his extra > masterage can get you both a sudden reversal and a continquency plans. Incorrect. You can only play one OOT master against a given master phase. [1.6.2.3] -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ wrote: > > vermillian wrote: > > and his extra > > masterage can get you both a sudden reversal and a continquency plans. > > Incorrect. You can only play one OOT master against a given master phase. > [1.6.2.3] And WRT Sudden Reversing an Archon Investigation, I don't believe you can do that on your turn. Fred

"vermillian" <vermil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:f987c6cd.01110...@posting.google.com... [ quoted text not captured ] If it's your turn you can't play sudden reversal at all. Therefore someone else would need to save you from the Archon Investigation. Ken Shaw -- The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure. Thomas Jefferson, 1787

>The Baron >Samedi >9 Blood >OBF THAN NEC FOR dom >2 votes, +1 bleed, during your untap phase, if the Baron is ready you >may >look at the hand of each Methuselah controlling a rwady Giovanni. > Minor nitpick for now: THAN isn't a good abbreviation for the discipline since it uses four letters (which IMHO kinda defeats the purpose). How about we use THN instead? =) Halcyan 2

> You can get 5 total master phase actions now. > > One (normal) > Two (Anson or Rumors of Gehenna - not one for each) > Three (The Parthenon) > Four (Sarrasine) > Five (Huitzilopochtli) Actually, if one of those played master cards is The Coven, you get six. =p Fanboy

"Roger Carhult" <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote in message news:<9sgq99$12thuc$1...@ID-104455.news.dfncis.de>... [ quoted text not captured ] i am not sure but will tell you as soon as possible . the baron will be a promo-cards in the next inquest.. but just see in the austin site ..

"Jon Stahler" <sta...@ilir.uiuc.edu> wrote in message news:<kyTG7.4519$Wa1....@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>... > Are these cards in the magazine or just previewed in the magazine? the card sare preview . the baron will be in the magazine..

James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote in message news:<FX0FOvJD...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk>... > In message <3c5617c7.01110...@posting.google.com>, arwall > <arw...@my-deja.com> writes: > >The Baron > >Samedi > >9 Blood > >OBF THAN NEC FOR dom > >2 votes, +1 bleed, during your untap phase, if the Baron is ready you > >may > >look at the hand of each Methuselah controlling a rwady Giovanni. > > Paging Noal, paging Noal... > > Presumably, you're already working out new Trojan Horse Strategies this? > :-) as a primogene ventrue , i just buy some info from our local nosferatu . :) usual kind of business.....

vermil...@yahoo.com (vermillian) wrote in message news:<f987c6cd.01110...@posting.google.com>... > > What, are both of these in the new inquest? (what issue?). not but hte baron will be .. in isssue 81 (i think; could not remenber) > And um... what's DAI and THAN? DAImonom : a discipline wich goal is to call and master demon. THANathosis : a discipline studying death and decay .

"James Coupe" <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> a écrit dans le message news: FX0FOvJD...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk... > In message <3c5617c7.01110...@posting.google.com>, arwall > <arw...@my-deja.com> writes: > >The Baron > >Samedi > >9 Blood > >OBF THAN NEC FOR dom > >2 votes, +1 bleed, during your untap phase, if the Baron is ready you > >may > >look at the hand of each Methuselah controlling a rwady Giovanni. > > Paging Noal, paging Noal... > > Presumably, you're already working out new Trojan Horse Strategies this? > :-) I'm sure that Noal will now include a "revelation of the sire" along with Carlotta, The Baron and the usual Uriah in his Betrayer deck ;) reyda