Out of turn Master

Is there anything in the game that allows you to play a second OotM? With Anthelios in the game should there be a way to do so? It is to bad Bleeding the Vine does not say pay a pool to untap. House of Sorrow may still have a place with it anyway. Matt

wedge wrote: > Is there anything in the game that allows you to play a second OotM? Taking your turn (i.e., squaring away your debt from the first one).

[ quoted text not captured ] Is it true that when another meth plays a master, you can not untap Bleeding the Vine w/ House of Sorrow to cancel it because of timing?

[ quoted text not captured ] So are you saying if 1st Tradition is in play and I play a OOT master and later skip my turn, then I can not play another OOT master because my debt from the first one hasn't been paid?

wedge wrote: > Is it true that when another meth plays a master, you can not untap > Bleeding the Vine w/ House of Sorrow to cancel it because of timing? Yes. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/0e8b3bc6600e2322

[ quoted text not captured ] > Yes.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/0e8b... If I use HoS to untap BtV, is it true that I must pay a pool because I could not tap BtV?

[ quoted text not captured ] The rulebook is saying that, yeah. http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulebook/rulebook.html#sec1_6_2

wedge wrote: > On Oct 12, 10:59 am, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >> wedge wrote: >>> Is it true that when another meth plays a master, you can not untap >>> Bleeding the Vine w/ House of Sorrow to cancel it because of timing? >> Yes.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/0e8b.... > > If I use HoS to untap BtV, is it true that I must pay a pool because I > could not tap BtV? Why could you not tap BtV?

[ quoted text not captured ] House of Sorrow says do not untap Bleeding the Vine says tap or pay a pool I thought that would be like tap to X, since it is a single sentence.

[ quoted text not captured ] So tap BtV. You've already untapped it with HoS. If you've tapped it in the meantime and find that it's tapped when you go to handle its card text, then sure, you'd have to burn a pool.

[ quoted text not captured ] Maybe reading the card might help: Bleeding the Vine Unique master. Put this card into play. During your untap phase, tap this card or burn 1 pool. You may tap this card to cancel a non-out-of-turn master card played by another Methuselah as that card is played. That card has no effect (no cost is paid), and that Methuselah gains another master phase action

LSJ schrieb: > If you've tapped it in the meantime and find that it's tapped when you > go to handle its card text, then sure, you'd have to burn a pool. I thought it was allowed to tap a tapped card. So if BtV doesn't untap at the start of my untap, I could still tap it and won't have to pay the pool. Or not? Cheers Alf

[ quoted text not captured ] You're also allowed to apply a "burn 1 blood" effect to an empty vampire. And see Society of Leopold.