Blissful Agony vs Psyche!

If vamp a plays Blissful Agony at superior to end combat and send vamp b to fight vamp c, can vamp b use Psyche! to start new combat and stop the go in combat with vamp c part from happening?

[ quoted text not captured ] No. [RTR 01-MAY-2002] Google: "Blissful Psyche author:LSJ"

[ quoted text not captured ] No. Once a new combat has been queued up, no other combats may be queued up: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/19923c35743be9dd/6b28fa3910586a8e?lnk=gst&q=psyche+blissful+agony+author%3Alsj&rnum=1#6b28fa3910586a8e witness1 -not card text

[ quoted text not captured ] No, because another combat has already been queued by virtue of BA, and once a new combat has been queued no other effects that would start a new combat can be played (lots of NG articles on this.) -John Flournoy

On Apr 24, 9:55 am, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > Klaita...@gmail.com wrote: > > If vamp a plays Blissful Agony at superior to end combat and send vamp > > b to fight vamp c, can vamp b usePsyche! to start new combat and stop > > the go in combat with vamp c part from happening? > > No. [RTR 01-MAY-2002] > > Google: "BlissfulPsycheauthor:LSJ" I could not find a ruling on this on the All Rulings page on the WW site. (Find: RTR 20020501) I DID, however, find this ruling (Find: Psyche!) # There is no room to play Psyche! (superior) between the time Illusions of the Kindred ends combat and when the new combat begins. So, when you play Illusions of the Kindred, Psyche! cannot be played. [LSJ 19971003] ------------------- I would guess this is the basis for the ruling on the interaction of the cards. I note, though, that IotK is not a Strike: CE. It is simply a combat card that ends combat, differentiating it from other CE vs Psyche! rulings. Still, tapping Elysium to end combat isn't a strike, but allows for Psyche! to be played. I would think Psyche! checks to see if a combat has just ended. If yes, and both combatants in said combat are still ready, it is playable. Rulings that it cancels the extra effects of some of the means for ending combat and not others is, IMO, unecessarily complicated. Notable Rulings (from http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/index.php?line=rulings) # If the strike does something in addition to ending combat, that something takes place just after the combat ends. [RTR 19970630] # Combat effects played at the end of a round/combat can be played when the round ends via S:CE or similar. [RTR 20001020] Psyche!: # The superior will cancel any "continue action" effect produced during the preceding combat (e.g. Form of Mist) [RTR 19950509] # The superior is played after combat ends, even though the card is a combat card. [RTR 19980928] # Is played before superior Freak Drive or inferior Cats' Guidance can be played to untap one of the combatants. (The combatants will have to wait until after the next combat ends to play those cards.) [LSJ 19981216] # No new cost need be paid for the block (Archon, Aching Beauty, Donal, etc.) [TOM 19960303] # The superior can be played before or after replacing any "Do Not Replace Until After Combat" cards. [LSJ 19990322] Psyche! Type: Combat Requires: Celerity [cel] Press. [CEL] Only usable at the end of combat when both combatants are still ready. Begin another combat with the opposing minion. Blissful Agony Type: Combat Requires: Valeren/Animalism Cost: 1 blood [ani] Strike: make a hand strike at +1 damage. [val] Only usable at close range before strikes are chosen. Opposing minion takes 1 unpreventable damage during strike resolution each round this combat when the range is close. A vampire may play only one Blissful Agony at [val] each combat. [VAL] Strike: combat ends. Choose a minion controlled by a Methuselah other than the opposing vampire's controller. The opposing vampire enters combat with that minion.

In message <1177558055.7...@t38g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Wookie813 <veknp...@yahoo.com> writes: >I would guess this is the basis for the ruling on the interaction of >the cards. I note, though, that IotK is not a Strike: CE. It is simply >a combat card that ends combat, differentiating it from other CE vs >Psyche! rulings. Still, tapping Elysium to end combat isn't a strike, >but allows for Psyche! to be played. Elysium doesn't queue another combat. >I would think Psyche! checks to see if a combat has just ended. And that there isn't another combat queuing, because you cannot initiate another combat if one is queued. >If >yes, and both combatants in said combat are still ready, it is >playable. Unless another combat is queued. >Rulings that it cancels the extra effects of some of the >means for ending combat and not others is, IMO, unecessarily >complicated. That's fine, because the ruling simply denies Psyche! being played in some circumstances. http://www.thelasombra.com/rules/RTR512.txt An effect which would cause (a new) combat cannot be used if there is already a "to be resolved later" combat. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

Wookie813 wrote: > On Apr 24, 9:55 am, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >> Klaita...@gmail.com wrote: >>> If vamp a plays Blissful Agony at superior to end combat and send vamp >>> b to fight vamp c, can vamp b usePsyche! to start new combat and stop >>> the go in combat with vamp c part from happening? >> No. [RTR 01-MAY-2002] >> >> Google: "BlissfulPsycheauthor:LSJ" > > > I could not find a ruling on this on the All Rulings page on the WW > site. (Find: RTR 20020501) Sorry about that. I'll add it.

[ quoted text not captured ] Ah. So it's a "one pending combat at a time, please" thing. That makes a great deal more sense. Thanks.