Redirecting bleed to myself

Can I redirect a bleed to myself using a reaction card that redirects a bleed? From what I see, only My Enemy's Enemy will allow you to do that, or am I misreading the card texts? Deflection Cardtype: Reaction Cost: 1 blood Discipline: Dominate [dom] Only usable when a minion is bleeding you [after blocks are declined]. Tap this reacting vampire. Choose another Methuselah other than the controller of the acting minion. The acting minion is now bleeding that Methuselah. [DOM] As above, but do not tap this vampire. Telepathic Misdirection Cardtype: Reaction Cost: 1 blood Discipline: Auspex [aus] +1 intercept. [AUS] Only usable when a minion is bleeding you, after blocks are declined. Tap this reacting vampire. Choose another Methuselah other than the acting minion's controller. The acting minion is now bleeding that Methuselah. My Enemy's Enemy Cardtype: Reaction Discipline: Auspex [aus] +1 intercept. [AUS] Only usable when a minion controlled by your predator is bleeding you, [after blocks are declined]. Tap this reacting vampire. The acting minion is now bleeding your predator's predator. Redirection Cardtype: Reaction Discipline: Dominate [dom] Only usable when a younger vampire is bleeding you, [after blocks are declined]. Tap this reacting vampire. Choose another Methuselah other than the acting vampire's controller. That acting vampire is now bleeding that Methuselah. [DOM] As above, but the acting vampire can be the same age or older. Murmur of the False Will Cardtype: Action Modifier/Reaction Discipline: Dominate [dom] [ACTION MODIFIER] +1 bleed. You cannot play another action modifier to increase this bleed amount. [DOM] [REACTION] Only usable when a younger vampire is bleeding you, after blocks are declined. Tap this reacting vampire. Choose another Methuselah other than the acting vampire's controller. That acting vampire is now bleeding that Methuselah. Lost in Translation Cardtype: Reaction Cost: 2 blood Only usable when an ally or younger vampire is bleeding you, after blocks are declined. Tap this reacting vampire. Choose another Methuselah other than the acting minion's controller. The acting minion is now bleeding the chosen Methuselah. Only one Lost in Translation may be played each action.

They all say "choose another Methuselah" ("another" means "other than you") with the further restriction "other than the acting XXX's controller". So you can't redirect to you nor to the controller of the acting minion or vampire.

If you can redirect a bleed to yourself with My Enemies Enemy (assuming only two players left). Will there be a new "choose blocker"- phase?

[ quoted text not captured ] No, because the target hasn't changed. "If the target of a directed action is reset, a new "choose blockers" opportunity results. [RTR 19970630] 3) Normally, there is only one opportunity to block a given action, though any number of minions can try to block during that window of opportunity. But if the target of a directed action is *changed*, this closes the current window of opportunity and opens a new one, even if the same player as before would be trying to block." (emphasis mine)

[ quoted text not captured ] But it doesn't say *change*. It says *reset*, which in this context may trigger a new choose blocker window, since the target is "set again" to the current target. From Dictionary.com: re·set (rē-sět') tr.v. re·set, re·set·ting, re·sets 1. To set again: reset a broken bone. 2. To change the reading of: reset a clock. n. (rē'sět') 1. The act of setting again. 2. Something set again.

On 12/9/09 8:12 , YY wrote: > But it doesn't say *change*. It says *reset*, which in this context > may trigger a new choose blocker window, since the target is "set > again" to the current target. No.

[ quoted text not captured ] But if the target of a directed action is changed, this closes the current window of opportunity and opens a new one, ***even if the same player as before would be trying to block.*** Doesn't this indicate that if the bleed is redirected to "my predator's predator" which also happens to be me, I get another block window?

On 10 déc, 05:18, Juggernaut1981 <brasscompo...@gmail.com> wrote: > But if the target of a directed action is changed, this closes the > current window of opportunity No. The target changes after the block-window was closed. > and opens a new one, ***even if the same > player as > before would be trying to block.*** No. A new block-window is opened when the target has changed. > Doesn't this indicate that if the bleed is redirected to "my > predator's predator" which also happens to be me, I get another block > window? No. [Can't find anything more recent than http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/4d3b56837ef38eb5 - though I remember LSJ answering this question in the past 6 month... searching for "MEE author:lsj" or "Enemy author:lsj" or "Lucita author:lsj" in the GoogleGroups mainpage didn't return anything recent...]

On 12/9/09 11:18 , Juggernaut1981 wrote: > But if the target of a directed action is changed, this closes the > current window of opportunity and opens a new one, ***even if the same > player as > before would be trying to block.*** > > Doesn't this indicate that if the bleed is redirected to "my > predator's predator" which also happens to be me, I get another block > window? No, since the target hasn't changed. What that indicates is that if the target changes, even if the "who may block" doesn't change (or is a set that overlaps the previous set of "who may block"). For bleeds, this never applies, since the only Methuselah in the "who may block" set is the target of the bleed. But if something like a Bum's Rush could change targets in the middle of the action to another minion controlled by the controller of the original target, then that ruling says that the blocking opportunity is re-set.

[ quoted text not captured ] LSJ> Isn't this irrelevant as I can't think of an action under the new "Directed Action" criteria that can meet the criteria for "isn't being targeted by they can block it still". If an action targets "my stuff" it is directed at me, allowing me to block. If a change happens that makes "my stuff" ineligible as a target (e.g. I untap a minion that was going to be Harassed and it cannot be targeted now) then I am no longer able to block and can't be a "who may block". If the action is a bleed action, then as you have said, the target of the bleed is the only blocker. That results in the last section being redundant, unless you want it to have the effect of saying "flicking legally to yourself creates a new window".

On 12/10/09 5:34 , Juggernaut1981 wrote: > On Dec 10, 10:38 pm, LSJ<vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >> On 12/9/09 11:18 , Juggernaut1981 wrote: >> >>> But if the target of a directed action is changed, this closes the >>> current window of opportunity and opens a new one, ***even if the same >>> player as >>> before would be trying to block.*** >> >>> Doesn't this indicate that if the bleed is redirected to "my >>> predator's predator" which also happens to be me, I get another block >>> window? >> >> No, since the target hasn't changed. >> >> What that indicates is that if the target changes, even if the "who may block" >> doesn't change (or is a set that overlaps the previous set of "who may block"). >> >> For bleeds, this never applies, since the only Methuselah in the "who may block" >> set is the target of the bleed. >> >> But if something like a Bum's Rush could change targets in the middle of the >> action to another minion controlled by the controller of the original target, >> then that ruling says that the blocking opportunity is re-set. > > LSJ> Isn't this irrelevant as I can't think of an action under the new > "Directed Action" criteria that can meet the criteria for "isn't being > targeted by they can block it still". ? See the example given. Bum's Rush targeting minion A can be blocked by minion B (both A and B being controlled by Methuselah X).