lma...@epx.cis.umn.edu (LaserMaster Technologies) writes:
>I have what I hope is an interesting question and a boring question
>or two.
>
>2) Please confirm or deny: a single point of aggravated damage can never
>burn a vampire. (Situation: I hit your vampire for 3 normal, sending it
>to torpor, and also for 1 aggravated, e.g. via Pulled Fangs. My play group
>argues that the vampire is burned, since it was at 0 or less, headed for
>torpor, and then took aggravated which it couldn't heal. I say that
>the 1 point means that the vampire will go to torpor, like the rules explain,
>which in this case means it's a redundant point of damage.)
A single point can never burn a vampire.
"0 or less" a vampire is never at less than 0.
A vampire at 0 is not headed for topor until it takes another point of damage.
Yes, it is redundant to do one point of agg on a vamp headed to torpor.
> I have what I hope is an interesting question and a boring question
> or two.> 1) Brujah Frenzy: Play when a Brujah that another Methuselah controls
> takes an action that is unblocked. The action is blocked and the Brujah
> must enter combat with a minion of your choice. The minion becomes tapped,
> etc.
>
> What happens if the action the Brujah was taking was "Get out of Torpor"?
> Does combat ensue, or does the designated other minion get a Diablerize/
> Rescure opportunity? If combat does ensue, are there any special consider-
> ations? (One presumes that since the vampire was rescuing itself it has
> blood on it, but there are cards that could negate that assumption.)
This *is* an interesting question. :-) I normally don't try to answer
questions I'm not sure of, but I think this one is destined for an
official ruling, and I wanted to get in my vote. ;-) I don't believe
a Brujah Frenzy can be played on a Brujah leaving torpor, because combat
cannot ensue.
This matches, IMHO, what the Brujah Frenzy is supposed to represent: the
tendency of Brujah to become enraged and strike out at "bystanders".
A Brujah in torpor obviously isn't going to have any "bystanders" to
strike out at...
> 2) Please confirm or deny: a single point of aggravated damage can never
> burn a vampire. (Situation: I hit your vampire for 3 normal, sending it
> to torpor, and also for 1 aggravated, e.g. via Pulled Fangs. My play group
> argues that the vampire is burned, since it was at 0 or less, headed for
> torpor, and then took aggravated which it couldn't heal. I say that
> the 1 point means that the vampire will go to torpor, like the rules explain,
> which in this case means it's a redundant point of damage.)
Absolutely correct. If a vampire is already going to torpor, taking one
point of aggravated damage is redundant.
papillo the ectoplasmic
pap...@fc.hp.com (Bob Ellison) writes:
>> 1) Brujah Frenzy: Play when a Brujah that another Methuselah controls
>> takes an action that is unblocked. The action is blocked and the Brujah
>> must enter combat with a minion of your choice. The minion becomes tapped,
>> etc.
>>
>> What happens if the action the Brujah was taking was "Get out of Torpor"?
>> Does combat ensue, or does the designated other minion get a Diablerize/
>> Rescure opportunity? If combat does ensue, are there any special consider-
>> ations? (One presumes that since the vampire was rescuing itself it has
>> blood on it, but there are cards that could negate that assumption.)>This *is* an interesting question. :-) I normally don't try to answer
>questions I'm not sure of, but I think this one is destined for an
>official ruling, and I wanted to get in my vote. ;-) I don't believe
>a Brujah Frenzy can be played on a Brujah leaving torpor, because combat
>cannot ensue.>This matches, IMHO, what the Brujah Frenzy is supposed to represent: the
>tendency of Brujah to become enraged and strike out at "bystanders".
>A Brujah in torpor obviously isn't going to have any "bystanders" to
>strike out at...
Unfortunately WotC never counters card text with logic. Misprints excluded.
:-)
The action is blocked. A pecedent set by blocking a vampire leaving
torpor (and by the text on Rapid Healing when it is blocked) is that
a vampire in torpor which enters combat may be diablerized by the
other combatant (if a vampire is the other combatant, of course).
Otherwise, is the opposing minion does not diablerize, "combat", such
that is was, is over before it can begin. No combat cards may be
burned, Lady Thunder can't be activated, *nothing happens*.
Course, that's just my opinion. It makes since, it follows precedent,
and it doesn't roll over card text. If you like it, adopt it. If not,
hold your breath until Tom answers the question :-)
L. Scott Johnson
>> 1) Brujah Frenzy: Play when a Brujah that another Methuselah controls
>> takes an action that is unblocked. The action is blocked and the Brujah
>> must enter combat with a minion of your choice. The minion becomes tapped,
>> etc.
A similar questioon I had was what happens when you play Mask of 1,000
Faces to take the place of a blocked vampire getting out of torpor? The
card says that action resumes where it left off, with the new vampire
taking the place of the old one. Well, the action was that my old vampire
was going to be diablerized. I assume the new one gets to actually fight
back.
>> What happens if the action the Brujah was taking was "Get out of Torpor"?
>> Does combat ensue, or does the designated other minion get a Diablerize/
>> Rescure opportunity?>This *is* an interesting question. :-) I normally don't try to answer>questions I'm not sure of, but I think this one is destined for an
>official ruling, and I wanted to get in my vote. ;-) I don't believe
>a Brujah Frenzy can be played on a Brujah leaving torpor, because combat
>cannot ensue.>This matches, IMHO, what the Brujah Frenzy is supposed to represent: the
>tendency of Brujah to become enraged and strike out at "bystanders".
>A Brujah in torpor obviously isn't going to have any "bystanders" to
>strike out at...
First off, does the card have to be played on a ready Brujah? That
would solve the problem right there.
Actually, torpor doesn't really mean torpor. the best example is
Rotschreck. This causes the vampire to be helpless due to fear for two
turns (unless someone comes and slaps her,) which is represented by
torpor. I think the best way to explain torpor is "a state of demoralized
uselessness to a Methusalah."
Still, I agree a good meta-rule is that vampires in torpor may never
enter combat, no matter what.
reyn...@cs.iastate.edu (Owen Reynolds) writes:
> A similar questioon I had was what happens when you play Mask of 1,000
>Faces to take the place of a blocked vampire getting out of torpor? The
>card says that action resumes where it left off, with the new vampire
>taking the place of the old one. Well, the action was that my old vampire
>was going to be diablerized. I assume the new one gets to actually fight
>back.
Exactly. The Masking vampire only looked like Vampire X, and was pretending
to get out of torpor. The poor schmoe blocking that action is
obviously in for more of a fight than he thought. (unless Mask
can only be used before the action is blocked, and I don't think that this
is the case).
L. Scott