When does the GD preview start?!

When will the GD Kindred's Most Wanted preview start! And while I'm in a ranting mood, who in god's name commissioned the art for Echo?! It seems that the more and more money that get poured into vtes, the crappier the art gets. See Ferox advanced, Tabitha Fisk, etc. (Notable exception, Crusade: Istanbul...) Am I wrong on this? Lemme know, Naz

nozle...@hotmail.com wrote: > And while I'm in a ranting mood, who in god's name commissioned the art > for Echo?! It seems that the more and more money that get poured into > vtes, the crappier the art gets. See Ferox advanced, Tabitha Fisk, etc. > (Notable exception, Crusade: Istanbul...) Am I wrong on this? MORE DREW TUCKER!! ;) Jeff

nozle...@hotmail.com wrote: > See Ferox advanced, Tabitha Fisk, etc. > (Notable exception, Crusade: Istanbul...) Am I wrong on this? > Lemme know, Yes. Yes you are. Ferrox Advanced is a fantastic portrait. Echo is perfectly reasonable (what is wrong with it? I mean, yeah, her teeth are a tad ambigious, but overall, a certainly competent and appropriate illustration). Peter D Bakija pd...@lightlink.com http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6 "How does this end?" "In fire." Emperor Turhan and Kosh

Peter your right Ferrox Advanced is a very nice picture - However why the hell does he look like that The non advanced Ferrox is mostly human as WoD mythos suggests - Advanced seems to be some kinda beasty. Piers "Peter D Bakija" <pd...@lightlink.com> wrote in message news:BE00811D.1C1BB%pd...@lightlink.com... [ quoted text not captured ]

Piers wrote: > Peter your right Ferrox Advanced is a very nice picture - However why the > hell does he look like that > The non advanced Ferrox is mostly human as WoD mythos suggests - Advanced > seems to be some kinda beasty. As I don't play the role playing game, I don't really so much know. Nor am I really concerned. Both illustrations strike me as perfectly reasonable. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:06:02 -0500, Peter D Bakija <pd...@lightlink.com> scrawled: >Piers wrote: > >> Peter your right Ferrox Advanced is a very nice picture - However why the >> hell does he look like that >> The non advanced Ferrox is mostly human as WoD mythos suggests - Advanced >> seems to be some kinda beasty. > >As I don't play the role playing game, I don't really so much know. Nor am I >really concerned. Both illustrations strike me as perfectly reasonable. from a pure aesthetics POV, i thought base ferox was kinda cool looking, ADV was kinda dicky. salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm (replace "hotmail" with "yahoo" to email)

> Yes. Yes you are. Ferrox Advanced is a fantastic portrait. Echo is perfectly > reasonable (what is wrong with it? I mean, yeah, her teeth are a tad > ambigious, but overall, a certainly competent and appropriate illustration). Fantastic!? Yechh! (Maybe base...) I'm just saying that I could do that (ADV) with some chalks and ink. You're commissioned to do artwork as a professional, it should be professional quality... Especially with the Nos and !Nos, there is pretty much carte-blanche with what you can do. The best we can do is fangs and the staple nos deformity?... Snore... I'm just tired of the staple "dark vampire portrait" and crappy plays on old old OLD ideas. I just would rather more "Cock Robin", Pieterzoon Base, Biltmore, Matthias or Pascek type portraits, and less Echo, ferox ADV, Pieterzoon ADV, Benezri base types... -N

nozle...@hotmail.com wrote: > Fantastic!? Yechh! (Maybe base...) I'm just saying that I could do that > (ADV) with some chalks and ink. Dude. What are you even talking about? And chalks and ink are a perfectly reasonable working medium, so I'm not quite sure what that means, either. This illustration is creative, well rendered, reasonably proportionate with interesting colors and good detail. Heck--he is wearing funny religious vestments. Good stuff. > You're commissioned to do artwork as a > professional, it should be professional quality... I'm at a loss as to how Ferrox Advanced is not of professional quality. Really. There are far, far cruddier vampire portraits in the set, some by some very well established artists. Why pick on Ferrox, which is even very well rendered? [ quoted text not captured ]

Yeah Ferrox Advanced is a very well done portrait - and since this thread started with someone comparing new art work to the old art work... Get a copy of Ferrox Advanced put it next to a cop of Bianca hmm.... standards going down you say ? Piers [ quoted text not captured ]

Piers wrote: > Get a copy of Ferrox Advanced put it next to a cop of Bianca hmm.... > standards going down you say ? I know! I mean, yeah, I kinda like Bianca, but compared to, like, Ferrox Advanced, Bianca is sloppy and vague. Crazy talk, I tell you. [ quoted text not captured ]

> from a pure aesthetics POV, i thought base ferox was kinda cool > looking, ADV was kinda dicky. I've always thought Ferox ADV looked like a hippy version of the father from Dinosaurs... (you know - that crappy puppet show from the early 90's) -- J -- "Fry crack corn, and I don't care, Leela crack corn, I still don't care, Bender crack corn and he is great; Take that you stupid corn!" grail_pbem "at" hotmail.com to email me

J wrote: >>from a pure aesthetics POV, i thought base ferox was kinda cool >>looking, ADV was kinda dicky. > > > I've always thought Ferox ADV looked like a hippy version of the father > from Dinosaurs... (you know - that crappy puppet show from the early > 90's) > I would like to point out that the father dinosaur in that show was named 'Eliot Sinclair', like the G1 Toreador Primogen. Coincidence ? I think not. [ quoted text not captured ]

> I would like to point out that the father dinosaur in that show was > named 'Eliot Sinclair', like the G1 Toreador Primogen. Coincidence ? I > think not. I thought his name was Earl. [ quoted text not captured ]

It appears they've stupidly started, by reprinting what they printed in their quarterly trade magazine or whatever that is.. At least give us die hards some more information! And don't make it SO obvious that it was a blatant reprint of the quarterly!!!

On 6 Jan 2005 13:48:19 -0800, "J" <gra...@hotmail.com> scrawled: >> I would like to point out that the father dinosaur in that show was >> named 'Eliot Sinclair', like the G1 Toreador Primogen. Coincidence ? >I >> think not. > >I thought his name was Earl. hhmmmm... pot/for? definately a gargoyle... [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] Where is this preview? A URL would be nice.

<X_Ze...@cox-internet.com> wrote in message news:1105116312.6...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... [ quoted text not captured ] http://www.white-wolf.com/index.php?line=news&articleid=125 DaveZ Atom Weaver

I was looking at the Ken Meyer Jr. site, and I saw this illustration for KMW, I think that it is the female Samedi that had everyone after her... http://www.kenmeyerjr.com/gothic/childe.html Check it out, N

[ quoted text not captured ] Thanks for the URL. That is what I thought Vermillian was screaming about, hense the name. That's no preview. It is a copy of a magazine article that was published 30 days ago with zero editing. Jeff Thompson provided that over a month ago. Hell, Jeff is doing a better job of promoting VTES and Kindred's Most Wanted than this new sales whatchimaface has, but then again what would I know..... Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr. XZealot Archon of the Swamp

<nozle...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1105122503.5...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Yes. That image appeared in Kindred Most Wanted back in the 90s (the RPG supplement). The one right before it is Count Germaine, if I recall correctly. Before that is Tariq, the Silent. Both from the KMW supplement as well (again, IIRC). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu

[ quoted text not captured ] Keep in mind that is/was Ken's illustration for Genina for the V:tM RPG supplement similarly titled Kindred Most Wanted, about 10 years ago - it is NOT a new piece of art for KMW the V:tES expansion. Note the date beneath his initials in the lower right. (Though it'd be cool to see a Genina card in the KMW set.) -John Flournoy

[ quoted text not captured ] That looks like an interior piece he did the the KMW *book* published waaaay back. His new V:TES stuff is usually linked from his mainpage. -Robert

"Robert Goudie" <rob...@vtesinla.org> wrote in message news:1105123651.3...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Yeah, everyone hopped on the KMW RPG thing, but your post did get me to page four of Ken's gothic section, where the more savvy of us may see some indication of KMW set content (check out the last few pics) http://www.kenmeyerjr.com/gothictwo/gothik4.html DaveZ Atom Weaver