rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

[LSJ] Bamba/Create gargoyle question

3 messages from 3 participants · 16 October 2009
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Boogie

I've noticed something on Bamba and Create Gargoyle - a small difference in wording. A) Does Bamba/Create Gargoyle allows me to search for up to 3 discipline cards (each one form different source) ? I suppose not but the wording can suggest that (slightly powering up both cards). B) Does it allows me to search three sources and choose 1 discipline card form them all and on other cards (with "or") player must choose where he will be searching before doing so? C) There is no difference - design team was drunk and misspelled few cards that day. Thanks, B. ------------------------------------------------------- Name: Bamba [EK:C] Cardtype: Action Cost: 1 blood Requires a non-sterile Laibon with capacity 4 or more. +1 stealth action. Put this card in play; it becomes a 1-capacity non-unique Laibon of the same clan and cannot act this turn. If the acting Laibon is a magaji, you may search your [ library, hand ___and___ ash heap ] for a master: Discipline card to play on this vampire (pay cost as normal) and you may move 1 blood from that magaji to this Laibon. Name: Create Gargoyle [BL:U2, LoB:R] Cardtype: Action Clan: Tremere/Tremere antitribu Cost: 2 pool +1 stealth action. Requires a non-sterile vampire. Put this card into play. This card represents a 2-capacity, non- unique, slave Gargoyle (enslaved to the acting vampire's clan) with basic Visceratika [vis] and flight [FLIGHT]. You may go through your [ hand, library ___and___ ash heap ] to find a master: Discipline card and place it on this Gargoyle. Move up to 3 blood from the acting vampire to this Gargoyle. This Gargoyle is the same sect as the acting vampire. This Gargoyle cannot act this turn. ------------------------------------------------------- VS ------------------------------------------------------- Name: Creation Rites [Sabbat:R, SW:R, Third:U] Cardtype: Action Cost: 1 blood +1 stealth action. Requires a ready non-sterile archbishop, priscus, cardinal or regent. Put this card in play; it becomes a 1-capacity vampire. You may go through your [ library (shuffle afterward), ash heap ___or___ hand ] to find a Discipline card for this card. You may move a blood from the acting vampire to this vampire. This vampire is not considered unique, cannot act this turn, and is the same clan as the acting vampire. Name: Third Tradition: Progeny [Jyhad:U, VTES:U, CE:U, KoT:U] Cardtype: Action Cost: 1 blood +1 stealth action. Requires a ready non-Sterile prince or justicar. Put this card in play; it becomes a non-unique 1-capacity vampire of the same clan as the acting vampire. You may go through your [ library (shuffle afterward), ash heap ___or___ hand ] to find a Discipline card for this vampire. Move up to 2 blood from the acting vampire to this vampire. This vampire cannot take any actions this turn. Name: Waters of Duat [KMW:C] Cardtype: Action Clan: Follower of Set Cost: 1 blood +1 stealth action. Requires a ready non-Sterile Follower of Set with capacity above 4. Put this card in play; it becomes a 1-capacity Follower of Set. You may search your [ library (shuffle afterward), ash heap ___or___ hand ] for a Discipline card and place it on this vampire (pay cost as normal). This vampire is not considered unique, must hunt this turn and is the same sect as the acting Follower of Set.

LSJ

Boogie wrote: > I've noticed something on Bamba and Create Gargoyle - a small > difference in wording. > > A) Does Bamba/Create Gargoyle allows me to search for up to 3 > discipline cards (each one form different source) ? No. > I suppose not but the wording can suggest that (slightly powering up > both cards). No. "for __a__ master: Discipline card" > B) Does it allows me to search three sources and choose 1 discipline > card form them all Yes. > and on other cards (with "or") player must choose > where he will be searching before doing so? No. > C) There is no difference - design team was drunk and misspelled few > cards that day. No. [ quoted text not captured ]

Chris Berger

On Oct 16, 8:21 am, Boogie <p...@wp.pl> wrote: > I've noticed something on Bamba and Create Gargoyle - a small > difference in wording. > > A) Does Bamba/Create Gargoyle allows me to search for up to 3 > discipline cards (each one form different source) ? > > I suppose not but the wording can suggest that (slightly powering up > both cards). > > B) Does it allows me to search three sources and choose 1 discipline > card form them all and on other cards (with "or") player must choose > where he will be searching before doing so? > > C) There is no difference - design team was drunk and misspelled few > cards that day. > The wording was intentional, as people took the "or" to mean that you could only search one source (despite the fact that the hand and ash heap are open resources). So they changed it to "and" on newer cards to remove any ambiguity. So now, people who are intent at misunderstanding the cards try to twist it into choosing one from each, despite the fact that it very obviously does not say that.