Hello LSJ,
Assume Player A has no reasonable chances of getting any more VPs.
If Player A has 4 pool and plays Temptation of Greater Power, may
Player A bid 7 pool (or any number of pool greater than his total pool
+5) ? If that's allowed and he does so, and he wins the bid, does
control of the vampire change?
Thanks,
Ira
Name: Temptation of Greater Power
[Jyhad:R, VTES:R, CE:R]
Cardtype: Master
Cost: 3 pool
Master. Requires a ready justicar.
Choose a vampire. Methuselahs may bid pool for control of that
vampire. The winning bid is paid to the blood bank. Methuselahs may be
credited up to 5 pool on the bid: winner pays 1 pool toward his or her
debt during his or her discard phase until the debt is repaid. Only 1
Temptation of Greater Power can be played in a game.
ira...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello LSJ,
>
> Assume Player A has no reasonable chances of getting any more VPs.
Caveat for everyone's reference: this is a severe restriction. Please note that
it is assumed to be true in this reply.
> If Player A has 4 pool and plays Temptation of Greater Power, may
> Player A bid 7 pool (or any number of pool greater than his total pool
> +5) ? If that's allowed and he does so, and he wins the bid, does
> control of the vampire change?
No. Card text. Player A can only be credited up to 5 pool, no more.
He could bid 6 pool (his remaining 1 pool after paying the cost of ToGP plus 5
on credit). If he does so, and he wins the bid, control changes. Card text.
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On 16 Jun., 12:49, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> ira...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Hello LSJ,
>
> > Assume Player A has no reasonable chances of getting any more VPs.
>
> Caveat for everyone's reference: this is a severe restriction. Please note that
> it is assumed to be true in this reply.
How is it relevant whether or not he can get VPs? The card doesnt kill
him.
Isnt it just relevant whether he thinks he has a way of poolgaining
during the same turn or not, before he has to pay his last pool. If he
has no option, then its obviously suiciding (I guess the "interest"
you pay on the card could be considered part of the cost, and you cant
play a mastercard where the cost of it kills you).
If I had 4 pool, a temptation of greater power, an enchant kindred and
the possibility of stealing a minion with PRE, then I would be a bit
perplexed if a judge told me I couldnt do it, because I might not get
any more VPs.
>
> > If Player A has 4 pool and plays Temptation of Greater Power, may
> > Player A bid 7 pool (or any number of pool greater than his total pool
> > +5) ? If that's allowed and he does so, and he wins the bid, does
> > control of the vampire change?
>
> No. Card text. Player A can only be credited up to 5 pool, no more.
>
> He could bid 6 pool (his remaining 1 pool after paying the cost of ToGP plus 5
> on credit). If he does so, and he wins the bid, control changes. Card text.
>
>> > Name: Temptation of Greater Power
> > [Jyhad:R, VTES:R, CE:R]
> > Cardtype: Master
> > Cost: 3 pool
> > Master. Requires a ready justicar.
> > Choose a vampire. Methuselahs may bid pool for control of that
> > vampire. The winning bid is paid to the blood bank. Methuselahs may be
> > credited up to 5 pool on the bid: winner pays 1 pool toward his or her
> > debt during his or her discard phase until the debt is repaid. Only 1> > Temptation of Greater Power can be played in a game.- Skjul tekst i anførselstegn -
>
> - Vis tekst i anførselstegn -
niko...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On 16 Jun., 12:49, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote:>> ira...@gmail.com wrote:>>> Hello LSJ,
>>> Assume Player A has no reasonable chances of getting any more VPs.>> Caveat for everyone's reference: this is a severe restriction. Please note that
>> it is assumed to be true in this reply.
(Original Poster's question restore to its proper position above the reply,
since the reply references it):
>>> If Player A has 4 pool and plays Temptation of Greater Power, may
>>> Player A bid 7 pool (or any number of pool greater than his total pool
>>> +5) ? If that's allowed and he does so, and he wins the bid, does
>>> control of the vampire change?>> No. Card text. Player A can only be credited up to 5 pool, no more.
>>
>> He could bid 6 pool (his remaining 1 pool after paying the cost of ToGP plus 5>> on credit). If he does so, and he wins the bid, control changes. Card text..
>>
(Now back to the reply at hand):
> How is it relevant whether or not he can get VPs? The card doesnt kill
> him.
Um, yes, it does. Spending his last pool "kills him".
> Isnt it just relevant whether he thinks he has a way of poolgaining
> during the same turn or not, before he has to pay his last pool. If he
> has no option, then its obviously suiciding (I guess the "interest"
> you pay on the card could be considered part of the cost, and you cant
> play a mastercard where the cost of it kills you).
The interest isn't part of the cost that kills him right now. He has X pool left
and spends all X of it right now, leaving him with 0 pool right now (and
therefore ousted). All of that in addition to the debt of 5 pool he incurs.
> If I had 4 pool, a temptation of greater power, an enchant kindred and
> the possibility of stealing a minion with PRE, then I would be a bit
> perplexed if a judge told me I couldnt do it, because I might not get
> any more VPs.
The question is not "can I play it?", but rather "can play it, pay the cost of
3, then bid my remaining 1 plus an additional *6* on credit?"
The answer is: no, since you cannot take 6 on credit.
The OP may be wondering if the 7 bid could instead have been painted as 5 on
credit and 2 pool now (i.e., bidding pool you don't have, since you can be bleed
for 2 when you have only 1 pool and see also the rulings on Life Boon "saving"
someone in that situation).
Then answer to the possibly-implied question is implied in the answer given: no,
you can only bid pool you have (plus whatever credit the card allows).
Back to your new question:
Yes, you can play it when you have 4 pool, since it only costs 3 pool.