War Ghoul Question

Can I play War Ghoul (Sabbatt/Tzimisce) if I don't have a retainer or ally in play? It doesn't say I have to have them in play in order to play the Ghoul. It just says "When War Ghoul enters play burn an ally or retainer you control. Thanks

Bryan Nelson a écrit dans le message <36E77843...@ix.netcom.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] Sorry. Burning the ally or retainer is part of the cost. If you can bring the War Ghoul in play, then you must look for an ally/retainer to sacrifice: in that case, you will sacrifice the War Ghoul. The real question here is: Can I bring the War Ghoul in play & then sacrifice it (in the very old rules clarification it worked this way)? Or because I can't fulfill the sacrificial cost (losing an ally or retainer) in the first place, the War Ghoul cannot be played at all?

lisa wrote: > Bryan Nelson a écrit dans le message <36E77843...@ix.netcom.com>... > >Can I play War Ghoul (Sabbatt/Tzimisce) if I don't have a retainer or > >ally in play? It doesn't say I have to have them in play in order to > >play the Ghoul. It just says "When War Ghoul enters play burn an ally > >or retainer you control. Thanks > > Sorry. Burning the ally or retainer is part of the cost. If you can bring > the War Ghoul in play, then you must look for an ally/retainer to sacrifice: > in that case, you will sacrifice the War Ghoul. Correct. When it is put into play, you have at least one ally/retainer (the War Ghoul herself). If you have no others, then you must burn the Ghoul. > The real question here is: > Can I bring the War Ghoul in play & then sacrifice it (in the very old rules > clarification it worked this way)? Yes. > Or because I can't fulfill the sacrificial cost (losing an ally or retainer) > in the first place, the War Ghoul cannot be played at all? The "sacrifice" is not a cost, so it doesn't figure in the "can I attempt this action?" equation. The cost is simply 3 pool. If you have three pool, then one of your Tzimisce can attempt to recruit the War Ghoul. -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/VTES_Rules.html

>Correct. When it is put into play, you have at least one ally/retainer (the >War Ghoul herself). If you have no others, then you must burn the Ghoul. hrmmm, what if you then Compel the Spirit to bring the Ghoul back. Will you have to burn it again if you have no ally/retainer? Or is "moving to your active region (from the ashheap)" different than actually recruiting? Sorrow --- I don't want to be alone | I hurt, therefore I am anymore |-------------------------------- I don't want to be anyone | "What are you looking at...? anymore | you never seen anyone try to I don't need a reason to kill myself | commit suicide before?" - Anon ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sorrow wrote: > hrmmm, what if you then Compel the Spirit to bring the Ghoul back. > Will you have to burn it again if you have no ally/retainer? Or is > "moving to your active region (from the ashheap)" different than > actually recruiting? My guess is that you wouldn't have to burn it again for the very reason you mentioned. The bizarre combos that a Giovanni/Tzimisce deck is capable of is higly amusing. Noal -- "Excuse me. Are you a yuppie?" -woman at a gas station in Detroit -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

Dhar...@yahoo.com wrote: > Sorrow wrote: > > hrmmm, what if you then Compel the Spirit to bring the Ghoul back. > > Will you have to burn it again if you have no ally/retainer? Or is > > "moving to your active region (from the ashheap)" different than > > actually recruiting? > > My guess is that you wouldn't have to burn it again for the very reason > you mentioned. The bizarre combos that a Giovanni/Tzimisce deck is > capable of is higly amusing. ? War Ghoul's text doesn't say anything about "when recruited". It says "When War Ghoul enters play..." (according to WotC's spoiler list, at least). So it doesn't really matter if Compel the Spirit's effect is different than actually recruiting. Retrieving War Ghoul from the Ash Heap (out of play) and putting her into the active region (into play) is an example of the War Ghoul entering play. As such, you would have to burn a Retainer or Ally you control, by card text on War Ghoul. -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/VTES_Rules.html -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: > >Retrieving War Ghoul from the Ash Heap (out of play) and putting >her into the active region (into play) is an example of the War >Ghoul entering play. As such, you would have to burn a Retainer or >Ally you control, by card text on War Ghoul. > However, you could put that retainer/ally in play, first, War Ghoul the juice bag, and Compel that retainer/ally back into service. It's all a matter of knowing whom to Compel. "Hi, I'm Guiseppe, Gravedigger and three War Ghouls." John Baker

You cannot burn an ally or retainer if you don't have it in play. Bryan Nelson escribió en mensaje <36E77843...@ix.netcom.com>... [ quoted text not captured ]