"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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> Tusk (the advanced version) can only use his special ability once each
action (errata).
So someone bled you with the unblockable Tusk?
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XZealot wrote:
> "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
> news:3F09655F...@white-wolf.com...
>>>Tusk (the advanced version) can only use his special ability once each>
> action (errata).
>
> So someone bled you with the unblockable Tusk?
No. I've only ever seen him use his special once (per intent).
Someone else just asked the question over email, alerting me to
the error in implementation.
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LSJ wrote:
:: Tusk (the advanced version) can only use his special ability once
:: each action (errata).
can't we leave it like it is, if only to reward people which includ this
piece of crap (tusk) in his deck ?
On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 08:19:43 -0400, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com>
scrawled:
>Tusk (the advanced version) can only use his special ability once each action (errata).
wouldn't the during X do Y template cover this (X = When Tusk declares
an action, Y = you may burn the top card of your library)?
also, when i read the subject i thought "Yaaay! he's gotten that much
needed upgrade!"
so sad....
salem
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salem wrote:
> LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> scrawled:>>Tusk (the advanced version) can only use his special ability once each action (errata).> wouldn't the during X do Y template cover this (X = When Tusk declares
> an action, Y = you may burn the top card of your library)?
Since it doesn't use "during", no.
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On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, LSJ wrote:
> Since it doesn't use "during", no.
Then can we puh-leeze get some errata on Maris Strek? His ability to hand
out little chunks of +1 intercept all around the table at will is far, far
more powerful than Tusk's ability to give himself +90 stealth.
David Cherryholmes
Duke Radiology
P.E.T. Facility
(919) 684-7714
david.che...@duke.edu
LSJ wrote:
:: XZealot wrote:::: "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
::: news:3F09655F...@white-wolf.com...
::::::: Tusk (the advanced version) can only use his special ability
:::: once each:::
::: action (errata).
:::
::: So someone bled you with the unblockable Tusk?::
:: No. I've only ever seen him use his special once (per intent).
:: Someone else just asked the question over email, alerting me to
:: the error in implementation.
if you bother to errata Tusk advanced, why not bother errata Legacy of Power
so it is not countered by psyche! anymore ?
please don't use the infamous "nobody play with that card" =)
David Cherryholmes wrote:
> Then can we puh-leeze get some errata on Maris Strek? His ability to hand
> out little chunks of +1 intercept all around the table at will is far, far
> more powerful than Tusk's ability to give himself +90 stealth.
Maris's ability functions as designed.
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> if you bother to errata Tusk advanced, why not bother errata Legacy of Power
> so it is not countered by psyche! anymore ?
> please don't use the infamous "nobody play with that card" =)
You want to change Rotschrek too?
Does anyone use Tusk?
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, LSJ wrote:
> Maris's ability functions as designed.
And thus endeth the discussion. I'm gonna make that dart board for you
one of these days, Scott.
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David Cherryholmes wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, LSJ wrote:>>Maris's ability functions as designed.>
> And thus endeth the discussion. I'm gonna make that dart board for you
> one of these days, Scott.
?
You attempted to derive a reason for Maris to receive errata based on
an incorrect assumption as to why Tusk received errata.
I attempted to correct that assumption: Tusk received errata not because
the card text as written led to a power imbalance, but because it didn't
function as intended (and also contrary to intuition).
Since Maris functions as intended (and follows intuition), the fact that
Tusk received errata isn't a foundation upon which to build a case for
errata'ing Maris.
If you wish Maris to be errata'ed, demonstrate the need to errata him.
So whence the dart board comment?
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LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3F097513...@white-wolf.com>...
> XZealot wrote:
> > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
> > news:3F09655F...@white-wolf.com...
> >
> >>Tusk (the advanced version) can only use his special ability once each
> >
> > action (errata).
> >
> > So someone bled you with the unblockable Tusk?
>
> No. I've only ever seen him use his special once (per intent).
> Someone else just asked the question over email, alerting me to
> the error in implementation.
oh, great, now he's totally useless :/
-Bram
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, LSJ wrote:
> Since Maris functions as intended (and follows intuition), the fact that
> Tusk received errata isn't a foundation upon which to build a case for
> errata'ing Maris.
The way that the two vampires' abilities are worded is almost
identical. You can't make an appeal (or an aside) to intuition with one
and not the other. All that leaves is "designer intent", which is
entirely opaque to anyone who is not the designer. Thus, end of
discussion.
> If you wish Maris to be errata'ed, demonstrate the need to errata him.
Right after you define "need" comprehensively.
> So whence the dart board comment?
It was intended to be good-natured, but you know....
[THUNK] "Needs fixing."
[THUNK] "Designer intent."
[THUNK] "Costs a blood."
[THUNK] "Fine as is."
[THUNK] "Keep screwing Assamites."
.... etc etc. :)
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Timlagor wrote:
::: if you bother to errata Tusk advanced, why not bother errata::: Legacy of Power so it is not countered by psyche! anymore ?
::: please don't use the infamous "nobody play with that card" =)::
:: You want to change Rotschrek too?
believe it or not a lot of people are playing rotschreck here.
:: Does anyone use Tusk?
at least the use of tusk is not greater to the use of LoP.
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:32:58 +0200, reyda wrote:
> Timlagor wrote:
>::: if you bother to errata Tusk advanced, why not bother errata
>::: Legacy of Power so it is not countered by psyche! anymore ?
>::: please don't use the infamous "nobody play with that card" =)
>::
>:: You want to change Rotschrek too?
>
> believe it or not a lot of people are playing rotschreck here.
>
I realised that. the Psyche! effect is exactly the same but unlike LoP it's
a Master so deserves to be harder to get round.
>:: Does anyone use Tusk?
>
> at least the use of tusk is not greater to the use of LoP.
It might be if he was unblockable ;-P
On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 14:44:52 -0400, LSJ wrote:
> David Cherryholmes wrote:>> Then can we puh-leeze get some errata on Maris Strek? His ability to hand
>> out little chunks of +1 intercept all around the table at will is far, far
>> more powerful than Tusk's ability to give himself +90 stealth.>
> Maris's ability functions as designed.
Just to be clear.. can Maris give someone as much intercept as he likes
(limitted by blood obviously)?
Was looking at the text so i had a look at Tusk too..."When Tusk declares an
action you may..." I would have thought from this that you could only do it
once -after that it isn't when he declares the action anymore. (you can do
more than one effect at the same time when declaring an action but obviously
you can't do more than one of these simlutaneously)
"Timlagor" <Timlagor...@yahoo.co.uk> escribió en el mensaje
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> On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 14:44:52 -0400, LSJ wrote:
>
> > David Cherryholmes wrote:
> >> Then can we puh-leeze get some errata on Maris Strek? His ability to
hand
> >> out little chunks of +1 intercept all around the table at will is far,
far
> >> more powerful than Tusk's ability to give himself +90 stealth.
> >
> > Maris's ability functions as designed.
>
> Just to be clear.. can Maris give someone as much intercept as he likes
> (limitted by blood obviously)?
>
Yes. Even more. She can burn 1 blood to grand +1 intercept. If acting plays
another +1 stealth, she can burn a blood again...
Tempted Maris once, with Madame guil. It was fun to grand +6 intercept to my
prey's minion while it was blocking maris :-P
Tom
Timlagor wrote:
:: On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:32:58 +0200, reyda wrote:
::::: Timlagor wrote::::::: if you bother to errata Tusk advanced, why not bother errata
:::::: Legacy of Power so it is not countered by psyche! anymore ?
:::::: please don't use the infamous "nobody play with that card" =):::::
::::: You want to change Rotschrek too?:::
::: believe it or not a lot of people are playing rotschreck here.
:::::
:: I realised that. the Psyche! effect is exactly the same but unlike
:: LoP it's a Master so deserves to be harder to get round.
i think LoP has much more requirement : tap a prince, send one of your own
vamp in torpor. And it also costs 3 blood. It's harder to obtain this effect
than it is to play rotschreck imho.
besides this, the change on Psyche vs rotschreck was intentional. The
consequence of this change is that we have a reaction card which is now
trumped and needs errata/clarification. And we cannot obtain that since it
seems that nobody plays with this card. I just claim that you're les likely
to find Tusk Adv in a deck that you are likely to find LoP =)
::::: Does anyone use Tusk?:::
::: at least the use of tusk is not greater to the use of LoP.::
:: It might be if he was unblockable ;-P
yaaaaay ! unblockable bleed for one, at the expense of 5 library cards ! how
abusive is that ? =)
>> And thus endeth the discussion. I'm gonna make that dart board for you
>> one of these days, Scott.>> So whence the dart board comment?
For fear of bring up "the other game" but...
http://prices.blackborder.com/images/smallpix/UG/9104.jpg
Not sure if that was the dartboard he was making a reference to but I just
think the picture is funny as hell. :D
~jeff
