Re: Ruling on Saulot's blood moving special?: LSJ?

<david.cor...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1136601514....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Okay, can Saulot move just 1 blood to another vampire during your > untap? > > > Or does he have to move blood in increments of 2? > Card text says "up to 2 blood," so he can move zero, one, or two blood. (Or, to be perfectly pedantic, it's "you," the Methuselah, who's doing the moving.) - Pat

[ quoted text not captured ] Good answer, but that isn't what Saulot's card text says. Staring at it in my hands.... "...During your untap phase, you may move 2 blood from Saulot to any vampire in your uncontrolled region or in play..." That's what we need a ruling on. Jeff

Sorry, this should also be titled "Clarification on Saulot's blood moving special" as only a clarification, not a ruling, is required.

Reading it, I thought 'you' could choose to move 1 or 2 blood, but it has been questioned in a JOL game and will surely be coming up regularly if not resolved. Card text: Saulot, The Wanderer [LoB:U] Cardtype: Vampire Clan: Salubri Group: 4 Capacity: 11 Discipline: dai AUS FOR OBE THA VAL Independent: Damage Baali inflict on Saulot is reduced to 0. During your untap phase, you may move 2 blood from Saulot to any vampire in your uncontrolled region or in play. +1 bleed. +1 strength. Scarce.

I would also read it that way Pat, however it has been questioned in a JOL game and will surely come up often if not resolved. [ quoted text not captured ]

d wrote: > Sorry, this should also be titled "Clarification on Saulot's blood > moving special" as only a clarification, not a ruling, is required. Correct. He moves 2 blood (card text). If he has only 1, he can empty himself (like when you steal 2 blood from a vampire with only 1 blood), but otherwise, he moves 2. -- That is my story, be it bitter or be it sweet. Keep a little and let a little come back to me. LSJ (vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep (remove spam trap to reply) http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

<jeff...@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:1136618299.1...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Oops, I was quoting from FELDB card text, not from the card... guess it's wrong in FELDB. No argument from me, based on correct card text. :) Sorry about the confusion. - Pat

"LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> wrote in message news:PzNvf.3308$ZA2...@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net... >d wrote: >> Sorry, this should also be titled "Clarification on Saulot's blood >> moving special" as only a clarification, not a ruling, is required. > > Correct. He moves 2 blood (card text). > > If he has only 1, he can empty himself (like when you steal 2 > blood from a vampire with only 1 blood), but otherwise, he moves > 2. Apparently I was misremembering a post from TheLasombra on Menele's (very similar) ability as having been confirmed by you, which apparently it never was: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/b3ac8b9ae2b801b3. But I would have interpreted Saulot the same way Jeff did Menele - that "move 2" means "move exactly 2", not "attempt to move 2 but move as much as you can if 2 isn't there" - especially given the plethora of cards that use "move up to 2" wordings. I always thought the "steal blood/burn life targets the minion, not the blood" ruling was specific to those particular effects (stealing blood and burning life), and wouldn't apply to effects of a minion on itself: "Q: Can I play Cryptic Mission against a vampire with no blood? How about Blood to Water against a vampire with only 2 blood? A: Yes. Steal/burn blood/life effects target the minion, not the individual blood counters. Similarly, burn pool effects target the Methuselah, not the individual pool counters." [LSJ 10-Jul-2001] It would actually have been pretty useful for me in a draft game this past Saturday to be able to move Saulot's last blood off him, but I just couldn't believe his wording would allow it... :-) Josh ought to know better than to use 11-caps in draft

Joshua Duffin wrote: > "LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> wrote in message > > If he has only 1, he can empty himself (like when you steal 2 > > blood from a vampire with only 1 blood), but otherwise, he moves > > 2. > > Apparently I was misremembering a post from TheLasombra on Menele's (very > similar) ability as having been confirmed by you, which apparently it never > was: > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/b3ac8b9ae2b801b3. That reads, to me, the same as what I said above -- you cannot choose to move just one, but when you choose 2 (the only choice) and have only one to move, then you move one. Much like stealing two blood.

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:1136825859....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... [ quoted text not captured ] OK. It seems to vary from the usual rule that you can't attempt to do an effect if you can't do the entire effect, but the blood-stealing rule does provide an exception to that. I just wouldn't have placed Menele and Saulot under that rule, since they're not "stealing" or "burning" blood, but "moving" it, with a foreseeable inability to do the entire move-blood effect. Josh had to break the window