Stupid Outlook Express (not so much about VTES)

So I'm monkying around with outlook suck-spress as a newsreader, trying to read this here newsgroup, and I can't for the life of me figure out how to delete all the old messages. No matter what I do, all the messages stay around, which is really irritating. Using Newswatcher (one might ask "if you have used Newswathcer, why aren't you doing so now?", the answer being something involving my wife and I having 2 different ISPs on the same computer, and the Newswatcher is all configured for her ISP and she wants to keep it that way, so I can't use Newswatcher, as she honeied it first, and while I could probably set up a second set of configurations, if the Outlook I'm currently using for e-mail, instead of Eudora for very similar reasons, was convinient for reading newsgroups, that'd be all cool and stuff) , you can look at a newsgroup, mark them all read, and then they all disapear, so the next time you sign on, you only have the fresh new messages to look at and read, and you aren't encumbered by the old, previously read messages. Is there a way to make them all go away? Am I just stoopid? Thanks,

"Peter D Bakija" <PD...@bigplanet.com> wrote in message news:B8E4F2CB.13D%PD...@bigplanet.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Try Tools->Message Rules->News and create a rule that deletes all messages that were send more than X days ago. There might even be a rule that deletes all messages marked as read. I'm not sure how well it'll work because I keep all of mine ( saves me having to search Google when I want to look up stuff ).

On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:01:47 -0400, Peter D Bakija wrote: >So I'm monkying around with outlook suck-spress as a newsreader Trying using Free Agent instead or spring for a copy of the real thing, Agent. I use Outlook at work and consider Agent to be superior for plain text mail and news. Andrew

Andrew wrote: > Trying using Free Agent instead or spring for a copy of the real > thing, Agent. I use Outlook at work and consider Agent to be superior > for plain text mail and news. I'll look into that one, as this outlook is sucktackular. Thanks! -Peter D Bakija PD...@bigplanet.com http://www.myplanet.net/pdb6

In message <B8E58AB0.28C%PD...@bigplanet.com>, Peter D Bakija <PD...@bigplanet.com> mumbled something about: >Andrew wrote: > >> Trying using Free Agent instead or spring for a copy of the real >> thing, Agent. I use Outlook at work and consider Agent to be superior >> for plain text mail and news. > >I'll look into that one, as this outlook is sucktackular. I also use Agent. Comes with a plethora of configurable options, including how long to retain "read" messages, and this great big "next unread message" button to skip through things. -- "There's no gray. There's just white that's got grubby." -- T.P.

On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:39:00 +0100, Andrew S. Davidson <a...@csi.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Andrew is right. Free Agent has been around forever (relatively speaking), and is what all newsreaders should aspire to. Get it here: http://www.forteinc.com/ You going to Origins this year Pete? How about GenCon? Regards, Bernie

berni...@attbi.comHOLDLeSPAM wrote: > Andrew is right. Free Agent has been around forever (relatively > speaking), and is what all newsreaders should aspire to. > > Get it here: > > http://www.forteinc.com/ I was having trouble finding it--thanks for the link! > > You going to Origins this year Pete? How about GenCon? Yeah, I'll be at Origins, but Gen Con is highly unlikely to happen (ya know, unless, like, I win the lottery or something). Pretty standard. [ quoted text not captured ]

Derek Ray <lor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<e8a0cug758fnnqpeh...@4ax.com>... > In message <B8E58AB0.28C%PD...@bigplanet.com>, > Peter D Bakija <PD...@bigplanet.com> mumbled something about: > > >Andrew wrote: > > > >> Trying using Free Agent instead or spring for a copy of the real > >> thing, Agent. I use Outlook at work and consider Agent to be superior > >> for plain text mail and news. > > > >I'll look into that one, as this outlook is sucktackular. > > I also use Agent. Comes with a plethora of configurable options, > including how long to retain "read" messages, and this great big "next > unread message" button to skip through things. You could avoid using newgroup readers altogether and just use Google. They seem to have finally figured out how to integrate the newsgroups into their service post-deja.com. Check it out. I find it very convenient. Only drawback is you can't take it with you if you're travelling and want to do some offline reading/posting. http://groups.google.com

jeff...@hotmail.com (Jeff Kuta) wrote: >You could avoid using newgroup readers altogether and just use Google. >They seem to have finally figured out how to integrate the newsgroups >into their service post-deja.com. > >Check it out. I find it very convenient. Only drawback is you can't >take it with you if you're travelling and want to do some offline >reading/posting. > >http://groups.google.com Two major drawbacks to Google: 1) The inability to thread properly (Google merely simulates thread following by guessing threads based on subject line). 2) Latency. Posts don't show up on google for 1 to 9 hours after being posted (even when posted directly on Google), according to Google's statements. -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson

Jeff Kuta wrote: > You could avoid using newgroup readers altogether and just use Google. > They seem to have finally figured out how to integrate the newsgroups > into their service post-deja.com. > > Check it out. I find it very convenient. Only drawback is you can't > take it with you if you're travelling and want to do some offline > reading/posting. Sadly, reading newsgroups on a web browser suffers from being inconviniently slow if you don't have a direct connection. Kind of a pain. I figured out how to make the outlook-suckspress work better (I was missing out on the "only show unread messages" button...), but I'll probbaly go check out Free Agent anyways. [ quoted text not captured ]

In message <621dd332.02041...@posting.google.com>, jeff...@hotmail.com (Jeff Kuta) mumbled something about: >Derek Ray <lor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<e8a0cug758fnnqpeh...@4ax.com>... >> In message <B8E58AB0.28C%PD...@bigplanet.com>, >> Peter D Bakija <PD...@bigplanet.com> mumbled something about: >> >> >Andrew wrote: >> > >> >> Trying using Free Agent instead or spring for a copy of the real >> >> thing, Agent. I use Outlook at work and consider Agent to be superior >> >> for plain text mail and news. >> > >> >I'll look into that one, as this outlook is sucktackular. >> >> I also use Agent. Comes with a plethora of configurable options, >> including how long to retain "read" messages, and this great big "next >> unread message" button to skip through things. > >You could avoid using newgroup readers altogether and just use Google. >They seem to have finally figured out how to integrate the newsgroups >into their service post-deja.com. Google sucks. Major lag time on posts, major lag time on reads, can't take it with me, can't make my OWN archive, and will eventually get filtered by most news providers since you can post anonymously from it and therefore it will become a major spam source. Oh, and they don't provide article-IDs for crossreferencing, although you can search on them. Google is only useful when you're NOT at a machine with your newsreader; you can at least get the content to you, but the packaging stinks. [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <B8E4F2CB.13D%PD...@bigplanet.com>, Peter D Bakija <PD...@bigplanet.com> wrote: >Using Newswatcher (one might ask "if you have used Newswatcher, why >aren't you doing so now?", the answer being something involving my >wife and I having 2 different ISPs on the same computer, and the >Newswatcher is all configured for her ISP and she wants to keep it >that way, so I can't use Newswatcher, as she honeied it first, With Newswatcher, you can create as many servers as you want via the News Servers command in the Special menu. Each is independent of the other. Each file of newsgroups that you store keeps track of what server the groups are on, so your wife and you can each have separate files with your groups in them, and no one is bothered by the other. (If you're using plain old Newswatcher instead of MT-Newswatcher, you should switch. It's still free, but substantially more full-featured.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail: santiago [at] umug [dot] org || Web: http://santiago.umug.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ceci n'est pas un 'sig block'."

Derek Ray wrote: > Google sucks. Major lag time on posts, major lag time on reads, can't > take it with me, can't make my OWN archive, and will eventually get > filtered by most news providers since you can post anonymously from it > and therefore it will become a major spam source. Oh, and they don't > provide article-IDs for crossreferencing, although you can search on > them. You can get article IDs from Google under the "Original Format" link from the single-article view. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"Derek Ray" <lor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:e8a0cug758fnnqpeh...@4ax.com... > In message <B8E58AB0.28C%PD...@bigplanet.com>, > Peter D Bakija <PD...@bigplanet.com> mumbled something about: > > >Andrew wrote: > > > >> Trying using Free Agent instead or spring for a copy of the real > >> thing, Agent. I use Outlook at work and consider Agent to be superior > >> for plain text mail and news. > > > >I'll look into that one, as this outlook is sucktackular. > > I also use Agent. Comes with a plethora of configurable options, > including how long to retain "read" messages, and this great big "next > unread message" button to skip through things. > Okay, this continues to be way off-topic, but oh well... Umm, so I downloaded Free Agent like you guys said, and if anything it annoys me even more than Outlook Express. For one thing, it's ugly, but maybe I'll get used to that. But more importantly, the most annoying thing about OE is that you can't turn off line wrap. And, from the looks of the options menus in FA, you can't do it there either. What the hell? Also, I don't think there's a way to automatically retrieve all messages instead of just the silly headers. I have to double-click the message, or hit enter. This isn't the 80's, I'm not worried about my connection speed, sheesh. If anyone cares to help me with these problems (especially line wrap... I refuse to wrestle with a new newsreader if it can't handle turning off line wrap), please email me. Or whatever.

In message <3CC08BA6...@white-wolf.com>, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> mumbled something about: >Derek Ray wrote: >> Google sucks. Major lag time on posts, major lag time on reads, can't >> take it with me, can't make my OWN archive, and will eventually get >> filtered by most news providers since you can post anonymously from it >> and therefore it will become a major spam source. Oh, and they don't >> provide article-IDs for crossreferencing, although you can search on >> them. > >You can get article IDs from Google under the "Original Format" link >from the single-article view. They just add that? =) I remember (and i know you do, too) when they wouldn't... I'm still sticking with Agent, but that at least is a small improvement on Google's part. [ quoted text not captured ]

In message <%32w8.250620$Yv2.69014@rwcrnsc54>, "Chris Berger" <ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu> mumbled something about: >"Derek Ray" <lor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:e8a0cug758fnnqpeh...@4ax.com... >> I also use Agent. Comes with a plethora of configurable options, >> including how long to retain "read" messages, and this great big "next >> unread message" button to skip through things. >> >Okay, this continues to be way off-topic, but oh well... > >Umm, so I downloaded Free Agent like you guys said, and if anything it annoys >me even more than Outlook Express. For one thing, it's ugly, but maybe I'll >get used to that. But more importantly, the most annoying thing about OE is >that you can't turn off line wrap. And, from the looks of the options menus in >FA, you can't do it there either. What the hell? From the main screen: "Message", "Word Wrap". Also just press "O" in my version of Agent. >Also, I don't think there's a way to automatically retrieve all messages >instead of just the silly headers. I have to double-click the message, or hit >enter. This isn't the 80's, I'm not worried about my connection speed, sheesh. Under "Group", "Default Properties", "Retrieve", there is an option checkbox for "Retrieve bodies for all new messages." >If anyone cares to help me with these problems (especially line wrap... I >refuse to wrestle with a new newsreader if it can't handle turning off line >wrap), please email me. Or whatever. [ quoted text not captured ]