Newbie - How to build a Tzimisce deck ?

Beeing a newbie in the whole V:TES matter, but trying to get inside as the game as much as possible, i came up with un unexpected difficulty... As much as i would like to play with older sets Clans (tzimisce for example), I see that it is almost impossible do to so. Sabbat war cards are just too rare and expensive. So, it's sad for me that it is only possible to get cards or clans as far as Camarilla, etc... Why does white wolf keep coming up with new expansions, and doesn't reprint older ones (even thought i know they were in some cases reprinted) ? I'm sure that the new expansions bring out something new, but how about the "oldies" ? Am i "doomed" to play !Tremere, !Toreador, !Malkavian, etc...? Am i "doomed" to pay true fortunes for Vicissitude Uncommon/rare cards as well as Tzimisce vampires ? Please tell me there is still a chance for me without having to sell my car, my house to get a Sabbat war winning deck. Thanks in advance.

[ quoted text not captured ] You could buy Sabbat War cards (or whatever else you like in the WW era) on-line According to http://secure.white-wolf.com/catalog/ (section: collectible cardgames) everything is available except some of the starter decks. Many shops don't see a huge amount of business in V:tES cards and therefore do not order sets they have run out of. Maybe you can talk to a shop to have them order what you want if you are reluctant to do business via the internet (shipping is not exactly free either which you might want to consider if comparing prices and you do need an international credit card). Frede

Fernando Costa wrote: > Why does white wolf keep coming up with new expansions, and doesn't > reprint older ones (even thought i know they were in some cases > reprinted) ? "Why doesn't WW reprint expansions (even though they reprint expansions)?" Um, correct? The latter? Not sure what you're looking for here. Sabbat War had been through what, three, four reprints? I've lost count. 1) It's a Trading Card Game - you're *encouraged* to trade for the cards you need. 2) We've reprinted older expansions, and we have not changed that policy. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

> Please tell me there is still a chance for me without having to sell > my car, my house to get a Sabbat war winning deck. > Thanks in advance. Hello. you have a real problem on your hands as there are no tzimisce starters out there. I believe white wolf will be printing !brujah, !ventrue, Lasombra, and Tzimisce starters, probably just rereleasing the old ones at some point. If you want a succesful tzimisce deck you will just have to wait and buy 3-4 tzimisce starters or something, there are a few cards that are not printed anywhere else and are quite important - namely breath of the dragon. Good cards for the tzimisce are sprinkled about in various sets, you might want to play fiendish tongues for bleed cards which come from the anarch set, and you will want to trade yourself some Read the Winds from the bloodlines set. If you get several starters as suggested by me earlier, you will have a nice spread of the important vicissitude commons and the Sabbat War boosters will only have plasmic forms for you as desirable commons but they are not that necessary. Beyond that its up to you to decide what kind of tzimisce you want to play. The clan has many, many great decktypes to offer so if you are just starting out and want to focus on one clan the tzimisce is an excellent choice barring the unfortunate circumstance of no starters readily available. If you do get yourself some tzimisce starters the next thing to look for are the vampires which dont feature in the starter but are in the boosters, these shouldnt be hard to acquire. Dont worry about the Tzimisce starter too much though, it and its fellow SW starters will show up at some point. The tzim starter was one of the most popular ones here so it would be dumb not to reprint it. ville

Saaristo <ihme...@hotmail.com> wrote: :> Please tell me there is still a chance for me without having to sell :> my car, my house to get a Sabbat war winning deck. :> Thanks in advance. What does a standard, not at all shabby Tzimisce deck have, then? For combat they can use Carrion Crows and Chiropteran Marauder (commons), and supplement that with an odd Horrid Form (uncommon), Song of Serenity (common) and of course Breath of the Dragon (only good rare combat card), which isn't a must. Add to that perhaps some Telepathic Tracking (uncommon) and especially Rotschrechs (easy to come by these days) and you have an easily modifiable combat frame for an intercept deck. Can't go wrong with 12+ Chiropterans, 6-8 Carrion Crows, perhaps some guns and some means to get presses when you want them. Rares? Nice, but not mandatory. Taste of Vitaes can also be used to help getting some blood back (.44 + Crows = 4 blood back, press, Chiropteran and Rotschrech, voila!) Intercept then.. Only rarer card you want to have into an intercept module is Eagle's Sight (uncommon), which you want to you to hose your prey's (D) actions against his prey. Otherwise it's commons all the way: Forced Awakening, all auspex and animalism intercept cards and of course some bleed bounce from Telepathic Misdirection. Revenants are uncommon, but they nor Raven Spies shouldn't be too hard to come by. Read the Winds is a Bloodlines uncommon, but those are by no means an absolute necessity and they cost blood, too. Of course, you need some means to go for the kill, too. Packing two or three Pulses should help either to bleed for some more, or get you into more fights. Using either Computer Hacking or Fiendish Tongue should help some, too - both commons just like is Army of Rats which you should have no problems to defend. Changelings (common) are also a nice multiple use tool. If you think you'll need more stealth, look for Stealth Ritus (common). Blood dolls are a necessity, of course (commons) and rest of the master slots you can fill with whatever suits your fancies. Do not forget those Rotschrechs :) All in all, while Tzimisce do have a lot of uncommon and rare toys and trinkets, building a solid intercept, bleed or even vote deck doesn't really require too much, commons will do and you get to keep your house and car, too. //T

They don't call COLLECTABLE card game for nothing.

303style <kryd...@hotmail.com> wrote: : They don't call COLLECTABLE card game for nothing. There's a difference between a card game you *collect* and a card game you *invest* into. The correct answer to the original problem is, "no worries, you don't need the rare and expensive cards, this isn't M:tG". //T

> Why does white wolf keep coming up with new expansions, and doesn't > reprint older ones (even thought i know they were in some cases > reprinted) ? Trade for the cards you need. Buy SW through E-bay by the box, I continually see boxes for $60 there, as well as through online retailers. When a sets is seller per box for as much as the new sets are, I wouldn't consider those sets hard to find. The original Sabbat expansion, on the other hand... Also, wait for the anniversary set -- some of the cards you're looking for might be reprinted in there. I also would not be surprised to see a new Tzim starter in an upcoming expansion, since they're running out of clans to build starters for, and the SW precons are getting hard to find. Which, by the way, is a good place to get staple Vicissitude cards. Kelly

Teemu T Vilen <tvi...@cc.helsinki.fi> wrote in message news:<ca9i6r$e7d$1...@oravannahka.helsinki.fi>... > ...Can't go wrong with 12+ Chiropterans, 6-8 Carrion Crows, perhaps > some guns and some means to get presses when you want them. Starvation of Marena is a great new (common!) card for Vicissitude; ranged damage and a press at inferior. It might as well have the flavor text "USE WITH CROWS, DUMMY!"