Hi all. I hope some of you can shed some light on the following subject.
What happens if my ravnos plays Horrid reality and gets a Wooden Stake,
strikes with say, lucky blow, and connects. Does the opposing vampire go
to torpor *without* the stake, as it is illusionary and leaves play
when combat ends.
Maybe this is analogous to the Fast hands questions asked a while ago,
still the weapon is illusionary but I do not control it....
Thanx in advance.
Tim
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Tim Eijpe wrote:
>
> Hi all. I hope some of you can shed some light on the following subject.
>
> What happens if my ravnos plays Horrid reality and gets a Wooden Stake,
> strikes with say, lucky blow, and connects. Does the opposing vampire go
> to torpor *without* the stake, as it is illusionary and leaves play
> when combat ends.
Yes. The Stake is burned or reshuffled into your library when combat ends
(assuming it's still in play, which it is in this example).
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On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:18:20 -0400, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com>
wrote:
>Tim Eijpe wrote:>>
>> Hi all. I hope some of you can shed some light on the following subject.
>>
>> What happens if my ravnos plays Horrid reality and gets a Wooden Stake,
>> strikes with say, lucky blow, and connects. Does the opposing vampire go
>> to torpor *without* the stake, as it is illusionary and leaves play
>> when combat ends.>
>Yes. The Stake is burned or reshuffled into your library when combat ends
>(assuming it's still in play, which it is in this example).
Oh, that's rude.
Although I imagine that the vampire in question can rescue itself from
torpor, as it isn't Staked anymore... right?
-- Derek
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."
- C. Darwin, 1871
Derek Ray wrote:
> LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> >Tim Eijpe wrote:
> >> What happens if my ravnos plays Horrid reality and gets a Wooden Stake,> >The Stake is burned or reshuffled into your library when combat ends
> >(assuming it's still in play, which it is in this example).
>> Although I imagine that the vampire in question can rescue itself from
> torpor, as it isn't Staked anymore... right?
He could rescue himself anyhow, if he ever gets untapped.
He still doesn't untap, however. Not untapping is a consequence of going
to torpor from the more-than-1-damage-stake-strike, and is not dependent
on the presence of the stake on the torpored vampire.
The vampire gets "staked" from the strike - it is not a property
of holding the Stake card in torpor.
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On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:33:56 -0400, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com>
wrote:
>He still doesn't untap, however. Not untapping is a consequence of going
>to torpor from the more-than-1-damage-stake-strike, and is not dependent
>on the presence of the stake on the torpored vampire.
>
>The vampire gets "staked" from the strike - it is not a property
>of holding the Stake card in torpor.
Oh, dear. Even ruder. *ponder, ponder*
The usual problem with Stake is that you can't get enough of them in
your deck - even Disguised Weapon/Stake/Lucky Blow is too
card-intensive to nail all the vampires out there down. But Horrid
Reality only requires four Stakes in your deck. =)
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In article <4fivss4t650i0joik...@4ax.com>, Derek Ray
<lor...@yahoo.com> writes
>But Horrid
>Reality only requires four Stakes in your deck. =)
You just know that if you only put 4 in, you'll draw them all in your
first hand and won't have any in the Library to play Horrid Reality on.
It's covered under the Sucky Law of Probability.
--
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"Who'd have ever predicted the moment would come when I find myself grateful
they've kept women dumb? She's an innocent maiden but then so am I, that's why
it's possible I could get by."
> >But Horrid
> >Reality only requires four Stakes in your deck. =)
>
> You just know that if you only put 4 in, you'll draw them all in your
> first hand and won't have any in the Library to play Horrid Reality
on.
>
> It's covered under the Sucky Law of Probability.
>
Yep... I'm always running out of Assult Rifles before HRs... <sigh>.
Cameron (not with dom/pot)
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In article <8qoqiu$u1j$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
inr...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > >But Horrid
> > >Reality only requires four Stakes in your deck. =)
> >
> > You just know that if you only put 4 in, you'll draw them all in
your
> > first hand and won't have any in the Library to play Horrid Reality
> on.
> >
> > It's covered under the Sucky Law of Probability.
> >
>
> Yep... I'm always running out of Assult Rifles before HRs... <sigh>.
>
> Cameron (not with dom/pot)
>
>
Still the stake bit is a funny concept. I had used a lot of guns with
horrid reality before, though this is IMO better, due to the not
untapping factor.
Tim
--
PROPHECY OF GEHENNA:
On The First Day Of Gehenna
The Shrieking Wind Shall Be Silent
And When A Black Sun Hangs From A Somber Sky
Caine's Sleeping Children Shall Once Again Arise
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In article <4fivss4t650i0joik...@4ax.com>,
Derek Ray <lor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:33:56 -0400, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com>
> wrote:
>
> >He still doesn't untap, however. Not untapping is a consequence of
going
> >to torpor from the more-than-1-damage-stake-strike, and is not
dependent
> >on the presence of the stake on the torpored vampire.
> >
> >The vampire gets "staked" from the strike - it is not a property
> >of holding the Stake card in torpor.
>
> Oh, dear. Even ruder. *ponder, ponder*
>
> The usual problem with Stake is that you can't get enough of them in
> your deck - even Disguised Weapon/Stake/Lucky Blow is too> card-intensive to nail all the vampires out there down. But Horrid> Reality only requires four Stakes in your deck. =)
>> -- Derek
>
> "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."
> - C. Darwin, 1871
>
Hello Derek,
I had worked on a deck that followed the "Stake" mentality and it
actually works well, provided it isn't being used constantly. My group
absolutely hates it and it surprised Legbiter as well. However, in the
Portsmouth environment, I am absolutely positive it would get creamed
as it is considered a "focused" deck.
It does roll well, however, and so is not a total loss. It's bleed
capability is not strong in single bleeds. It makes up in numbers what
it lacks in bleed strength.
Enjoy!
Michael Eichler
Prince of Ramstein
Master
7x Obfuscate
Humanitas
Fame
2x Blood Doll
4x Tribute to the Master
4x Haven Uncovered
Obfuscate
5x Behind You
3x Psychic Veil
9x Disguised Weapon
Non-Disciplined
4x Ritual of the Bitter Rose
15x Lucky Blow
10x The Embrace
12x Bum's Rush
Arson
Equipment
Catacombs
Ivory Bow
10x Stake
Crypt
Normal - 2
Dollface - 3
Dan Murdock - 3
Regilio - 3
Yorik - 3
Josef - 4
Laurent de Valois - 4
Hadrian Garrick - 4 / +1 hand damage
Watenda - 3
Lena Rowe - 3
Duck - 3
Dimple - 2
I had worked originally with Graverobbing, but it just wasn't
happening. I either could never get the card when I needed it or I
would get the card(s) when I didn't need it (them). So, I just opted
to work on disabling the minions and eat them when the situation
warrents it. The Ritual of the Bitter Rose works wonders. I have had
the opportunity to use it several times and it has never failed to not
give me a good reason to eat another vampire. I had also worked the
deck with Hidden Lurkers, but later dumped them. They were never used,
ever. I either never received the card when it was required or had too
many clogging my hand. The Ivory Bow is there to do two things, 1)
give me torporizing capability, 2) to be able to contest the Ivory Bow
if necessary. The Humanitas and Catacombs have really been a God-
send. They work too well especially in conjuction with Fame.
--
Worry comes from the belief you are powerless.
(So get in there and kick some butt!)
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