Form of Mist Q[LSJ]

about Form of mist; one of the errata don't seems clear ... "The superior form cannot be used by the acting vampire unless he needs the stealth [RTR 19970630] " When do we consider the acting vampire need the stealth since we don't know if defending players want to block or not ? Tzimiscelord, Primogen, Paris

Sylvain Gogel wrote: > > about Form of mist; one of the errata don't seems clear ... > "The superior form cannot be used by the acting vampire unless he needs the > stealth [RTR 19970630] " > > When do we consider the acting vampire need the stealth since we don't know > if defending players want to block or not ? He needs stealth if there is a current blocking minion with intercept greater than or equal to his current stealth. [6.2.2.2] So superior FoM can only be played by an acting vampire if: 1) He's in combat with a blocking minion 2) The blocking minion's intercept >= his stealth (typical, since he's in combat) 3) He hasn't played Form of Mist at superior already this action -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

> > So superior FoM can only be played by an acting vampire if: > > 1) He's in combat with a blocking minion > > 2) The blocking minion's intercept >= his stealth (typical, since he's in > combat) > > 3) He hasn't played Form of Mist at superior already this action > When will 2) ever not be the case? Brujah Frenzy. Combat initiated by an action. To name a few. Sorrow --- "...but you know, evil is an exact science..."

>> So superior FoM can only be played by an acting vampire if: >> 1) He's in combat with a blocking minion >> 2) The blocking minion's intercept >= his stealth (typical, since he's in > combat) >> 3) He hasn't played Form of Mist at superior already this action > > When will 2) ever not be the case? Well, if it's a stealthed, then unblocked Bum's Rush, the acting minion will be in combat with more stealth then the opposing minion has intercept. However, that's not "the blocking minion," and so it covered in 1). I guess you'd need something weird, like a Fleshcraft that reduces intercept. (Eyecraft?) Even then, it's even more complicated. If I rush go to Arson a hunting ground, and get blocked and play "Eyecraft" (maybe there is a combat effect that reduces intercept, just not off the top of my head) I might then want to press and play superior Form of Mist, which would seem fair, really. I mean, I got blocked, and the card is to let me go on with my Arson, but this says I can't play it, because I already have too much stealth. I guess I could play Shadow Body, though, since it doesn't add stealth. (don't ask me what vampire has all these abilities, I'm making up cards to answer the question as I go, anyway) I guess I set out to answer the question, but have to say I'm just as confused. I can see how "The opposing minion" may have less intercept then they do stealth, but not "the blocking minion." -- Pat Ricochet Soul Jar'rn Fool of Atlanta

In article <8uq2jc$65f$1...@plutonium.btinternet.com>, [ quoted text not captured ] Well, as you surmise, 1) implies 2) almost always. But besides the examples given by others in which 1) doesn't hold and therefore 2) can be trivially avoided, there are some ways to do it: Vamp A bleeds. Vamp B, with Mr. Winthrop, blocks. Vamp A gets +2 stealth from Lost in Crowds. Vamp B gets +1 intercept from KRCG News Radio. Action is blocked (1) Vamp A plays Weather Control. Mr. Winthrop dies. Now Vamp A cannot play superior Form of Mist to continue the action, since he doesn't need the stealth. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.