DECK: Winter of My Betrayal

This is a work in progress that I'd like some feedback, suggestions, etc. on. This is a (yet another) deck designed to shove Uriah Winter down my prey's throat. This time, once he moves to my prey, I tag him with Seeds of Corruption to keep him there and then plaster my prey with Betrayers. As with most trick decks, this one appears to be fairly fragile and I'd appreciate any assistance with making it less so while preserving the intent of the deck. I can add up to 4 more Betrayers and I would happily reduce the number of the cards in the deck if it would help. Regards, Noal Winter of My Betrayal Crypt (12) 6x Uriah Winter 3x Anson 1x Klaus van der Veken 1x Javier Montoya 1x Spiridonas Library (90) Masters (40) 25x Betrayer 5x The Parthenon 5x Minion Tap 4x Tomb of Ramses III 1x Secure Haven Equipment (1) 1x Veneficorum Artum Sanguis Actions (19) 9x Seeds of Corruption 4x Rutor's Hand 6x The Fifth Tradition: Hospitality Political Actions (12) 6x Kine Resources Contested 4x Rumors of Gehenna 1x Political Strtanglehold 1x Ancient Influence Action Modifiers (10) 5x Awe 5x Voter Captivation Combat (8) 8x Majesty

On Sun, 09 Sep 2001 01:18:09 -0400, Noal McDonald <dhar...@none-of-your-fscking-business.com> wrote: >This is a work in progress that I'd like some feedback, suggestions, >etc. on. This is a (yet another) deck designed to shove Uriah Winter >down my prey's throat. You might consider Sarrasine since her special ability allows you to attain the mystical *4th* master phase action if you are lucky enough to keep the edge. Hrm, that kinda adds to the fragility doesn't it. But wouldn't it be cool to slap 4 betrayers in a turn <g> Robble, robble. ------------------------------- Ethan Burrow - Prince of Austin saa...@yahoo.com http://whitestar.ddg.com/vtes/

"Noal McDonald" <dhar...@none-of-your-fscking-business.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3B9AFB91...@none-of-your-fscking-business.com... > This is a work in progress that I'd like some feedback, suggestions, > etc. on. This is a (yet another) deck designed to shove Uriah Winter > down my prey's throat. This time, once he moves to my prey, I tag him > with Seeds of Corruption to keep him there and then plaster my prey with > Betrayers. As with most trick decks, this one appears to be fairly > fragile and I'd appreciate any assistance with making it less so while > preserving the intent of the deck. I can add up to 4 more Betrayers and > I would happily reduce the number of the cards in the deck if it would > help. > > Regards, > Noal I'm glad you've finally done your betrayer deck ! if you are looking for more Betrayers, mail me and i'll browse through my buddies collection. (snip deck) I can see you're using a voter deck to gain a lot of pool. The idea is nice but be sure to have lesss pool than your prey to give him control of Uriah ;) reyda

Howdy Noal, Noal McDonald <dhar...@none-of-your-fscking-business.com> wrote in message news:<3B9AFB91...@none-of-your-fscking-business.com>... > This is a (yet another) deck designed to shove Uriah Winter > down my prey's throat. This time, once he moves to my prey, I tag him > with Seeds of Corruption to keep him there and then plaster my prey with > Betrayers. Can you do that? Here's the relevant note on Seeds: "Special ability" includes all non-sect, non-title text. (note that this only means that the affected vampire cannot do anything that he is allowed to do only by special ability - not that he can now overcome some special restriction. Assamites still cannot commit diablerie, for example) [LSJ 19970801] I would tend to think that Uriah's text was in the latter category of 'special restriction', as it is not really something he is 'allowed to do only by special ability', inasmuch as he is not _allowed_ to do it - he _must_ do it. It also just generally seems pretty clear that Uriah's text is meant as a penalty or 'restriction', like most other Caitiff/Pander's. I like the concept, though, and points for style... Alex

Alex Broadhead wrote: > Can you do that? Here's the relevant note on Seeds: > > "Special ability" includes all non-sect, non-title text. (note > that this > only means that the affected vampire cannot do anything that he is > allowed > to do only by special ability - not that he can now overcome some > special > restriction. Assamites still cannot commit diablerie, for example) > [LSJ > 19970801] > > I would tend to think that Uriah's text was in the latter category of > 'special restriction', as it is not really something he is 'allowed to > do only by special ability', inasmuch as he is not _allowed_ to do it > - he _must_ do it. It also just generally seems pretty clear that > Uriah's text is meant as a penalty or 'restriction', like most other > Caitiff/Pander's. Minions do not normally defect. Uriah is allowed to deflect only by his card text. Seeds removes that ability. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

In message <5f63e367.0109...@posting.google.com>, Alex Broadhead <alex.br...@clearband.com> writes >I would tend to think that Uriah's text was in the latter category of >'special restriction' It's not. LSJ has ruled on this in the past. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D Close your eyes so you don't feel them EBD690ECD7A1F They don't need to see you cry B457CA213D7E6 I can't promise I will heal you, but if you want to I will try 68C3695D623D5D

Ethan Burrow wrote: > You might consider Sarrasine since her special ability allows > you to attain the mystical *4th* master phase action if you > are lucky enough to keep the edge. > > Hrm, that kinda adds to the fragility doesn't it. Quite. The deck doesn't do much bleeding so it won't get the edge often, resulting in his special not coming up with enough frequncy to be worth it. He's also not a Prince nor does he have Thaumaturgy, which completely marginalizes him. I did wheel it out once this past weekend before I left early to watch opening weekend of football with several friends. In spite of not drawing *any* copies of Uriah Winter in my opening crypt, I managed to get a VP with the deck with a dedicated S&B deck as my predator. Not bad for a first effort. So...the concept does have some merit and can be honed into a competitive strategy. The bloat angle was definitely a life saver and may be enough for bleed defense. The fact that all vampires besides Uriah are Princes keeps it from being completely vulnerable to vote decks. The only serious concerns are rush combat decks and possibly intercept decks, both of which are fairly common in my environment. There's nothing I can do about intercept since stealth is going to be nearly impossible to come by (Pre/Tha) but Combat defense should be possible. Ideas or suggesions? Regards, Noal

On 10 Sep 2001, Noal McDonald wrote: > keeps it from being completely vulnerable to vote decks. The only > serious concerns are rush combat decks and possibly intercept decks, > both of which are fairly common in my environment. There's nothing I > can do about intercept since stealth is going to be nearly impossible > to come by (Pre/Tha) but Combat defense should be possible. tremere convocation. non unique, stacks, and gives +1 stealth. although it does take a master slot which is where you play betrayers...hmmmm.... salem.

"....salem christ...." wrote: > tremere convocation. non unique, stacks, and gives +1 stealth. > although it does take a master slot which is where you play > betrayers...hmmmm.... I considered Convocation, too. The master slot isn't as big a concern since I have 40 masters in the deck. The biggest downside is that only two of the vampires in my crypt benefit from the +1 stealth, since it's limited to Tremere. It also costs 2 pool and burnable as a (D) action. That's a bit tough to overcome. Creepshow Casino, which I don't think I've gotten yet, would be helpful for the votes, the 5th Traditions, Rutor's Hand and subsequent rescues. It won't help with putting Seeds on Uriah, but that's a +1 stealth action already so I can either live with it or add a Convocation ro two. I'll have to give the matter some thought. Thanks, Noal