3 More Misc. Q's

Here are three more questions I've considered: 1) So, what *is* a Black Spiral Buddy, anyway?? 3) What led to the ruling that the Leather Jacket won't prevent the damage from your *own* strikes? It's rather silly, on the common-sense side of things, to say that the Jacket can stop a 3pt Grenade if you're the recipient, but can't stop the 1 pt backwash if you're the attacker. Or can stop one side of a Burst of Sunlight, but not the other. Was this card somehow broken the other way?? 3. My (Jyhad) copy of Outcast Mage shows a cost of 3 while the Deck Monger and an earlier VEKN Tremere newsletter both list a cost of 2. I can't find anything in the errata. What *is* the cost?? Thanks loads, Madman -- Free audio & video emails, greeting cards and forums Talkway - http://www.talkway.com - Talk more ways (sm)

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Madman2001 wrote: > 1) So, what *is* a Black Spiral Buddy, anyway?? In Werewolf: The Apocalypse, there are the good guys, who were all born in the waxing moon - so they're good. However, you get people born in the waning moon, and those who defect, who are the bad guys. They dance the Black Spiral. In Jyhad, you make friends with one. A buddy. Hence, a black spiral buddy. Essentially, nasty bad guy werewolf. > > 3) What led to the ruling that the Leather Jacket won't prevent the > damage from your *own* strikes? A generic ruling which said "damage from a strike only applies to damage dealt by the opposing minion". > It's rather silly, on the common-sense > side of things, to say that the Jacket can stop a 3pt Grenade if you're > the recipient, but can't stop the 1 pt backwash if you're the attacker. > Or can stop one side of a Burst of Sunlight, but not the other. Was > this card somehow broken the other way?? Broken, probably not. Powerful, yes. Consider Bomb, for a start, or an inferior Burst of Sunlight. The generic ruling scuppers cards with serious downsides that werent' supposed to be got round with 1 blood and Skin of Steel. > 3. My (Jyhad) copy of Outcast Mage shows a cost of 3 while the Deck > Monger and an earlier VEKN Tremere newsletter both list a cost of 2. I > can't find anything in the errata. What *is* the cost?? My cards are elsewhere. However, my gut reaction is that it is 3, but that probbaly the others are using the Wizards card text file (or similar) which may well be wrong. -- James Coupe

James Coupe <jr...@cam.ac.uk> wrote: > Madman2001 wrote: > > 3. My (Jyhad) copy of Outcast Mage shows a cost of 3 while the Deck > > Monger and an earlier VEKN Tremere newsletter both list a cost of 2. > > I can't find anything in the errata. What *is* the cost?? > > My cards are elsewhere. However, my gut reaction is that it is 3, but > that probbaly the others are using the Wizards card text file (or > similar) which may well be wrong. The Wizards card list shows a cost of 3 pool. At any rate, the card has not received any errata, so whatever is printed is what it costs. (Well, assuming that the V:TES version matches the Jyhad version, of course). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules: http://www.geocities.com/vtesrep Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Frederick Scott wrote: [snip] > > Are you sure you're not thinking of _Nephandus_ mage - a card that looks > suspciously like they wanted to design a Sabbat version of Outcast Mage > for Tremere Antis? Arguably weaker than Outcast Mage (its abilities are > slightly different) but for an ally it's a surprisingly worthwhile card > at its cost of 2. > > Fred Are you freaking kidding me?! Nephandus is perhaps the best/most undercosted ally there is. And she is not unique! Let's see - 1 bleed, 1R, optional press, can diablerize for free (it's called something else, but is essentially the same), 2 life. *And she's not unique!!*. Compare to the political Ally, same cost, but unique, 3 bleed, 0 damage, and only 1 life. Perhaps the only thing working against her (Nephandus) is that she is a member of a pretty thin clan. But throw a couple of her out there, scatter Memories of Mortality liberally, and you have a very interesting situation! Not broken, but compared to other allies, undercosted (just like Ian Forestal, another Tremere! card). Chris -- Tammy Martin 5'7" Alexander Shorb 2'10" Chris Shorb 5'11" Shameless plug: <http://www.graphicnovels.com/>

"Madman2001" <Mad...@madman.com> writes: >3. My (Jyhad) copy of Outcast Mage shows a cost of 3 while the Deck >Monger and an earlier VEKN Tremere newsletter both list a cost of 2. I >can't find anything in the errata. What *is* the cost?? Are you sure you're not thinking of _Nephandus_ mage - a card that looks [ quoted text not captured ]

I just looked at my cards, and both Jyhad and VTES versions are 3 pool. I fixed the pool cost in Library Monger, sorry for the mixup guys. :^) In article <Pine.SOL.4.21.000316...@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk>, James Coupe <jr...@cam.ac.uk> wrote: > > 3. My (Jyhad) copy of Outcast Mage shows a cost of 3 while the Deck > > Monger and an earlier VEKN Tremere newsletter both list a cost of 2. I > > can't find anything in the errata. What *is* the cost?? > > My cards are elsewhere. However, my gut reaction is that it is 3, but > that probbaly the others are using the Wizards card text file (or > similar) which may well be wrong. ----------------------------------- Ethan Burrow - Prince of Austin et...@ddg.com http://whitestar.ddg.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]

shr...@alumni.williams.edu writes: >Frederick Scott wrote: > >[snip] > > >> >> Are you sure you're not thinking of _Nephandus_ mage - a card that looks >> suspciously like they wanted to design a Sabbat version of Outcast Mage >> for Tremere Antis? Arguably weaker than Outcast Mage (its abilities are >> slightly different) but for an ally it's a surprisingly worthwhile card >> at its cost of 2. > >Are you freaking kidding me?! Nephandus is perhaps the best/most >undercosted ally there is. And she is not unique! Let's see - 1 >bleed, 1R, optional press, can diablerize for free (it's called >something else, but is essentially the same), 2 life. *And she's not >unique!!*. Compare to the political Ally, same cost, but unique, 3 >bleed, 0 damage, and only 1 life. Perhaps the only thing working >against her (Nephandus) is that she is a member of a pretty thin >clan. But throw a couple of her out there, scatter Memories of >Mortality liberally, and you have a very interesting situation! Not >broken, but compared to other allies, undercosted (just like Ian >Forestal, another Tremere! card). Yea. That's what I meant to say. :) (By the way, I didn't mean to suggest that Nephandus was weaker than Outcast as a _card_. Certainly not. But I think if you had your choice between the two pool paid, one might arguably take the Outcast before the Nephandus.) Fred

[ quoted text not captured ] I'd have to agree with you there. There might be situations particularly if playing a more combat oriented deck that you would use the Outcast mage *if* their costs were equal. But I think now that someone has figured out that the Outcast Mage costs 1 more than Nephandus, Neph is unquestionably the better deal. I personally think Neph should have been at least 3 or 4 cost, but no matter. [ quoted text not captured ]

shr...@alumni.williams.edu writes: >I'd have to agree with you there. There might be situations >particularly if playing a more combat oriented deck that you would use >the Outcast mage *if* their costs were equal. But I think now that >someone has figured out that the Outcast Mage costs 1 more than >Nephandus, Neph is unquestionably the better deal. I personally think >Neph should have been at least 3 or 4 cost, but no matter. I can't understand that last sentence. Most of the rest of the allies should cost _less_. Nephandus at 2 is fine. Even if allies started overrunning the game a bit, there's still cards like Cull the Herd, Slaughtering the Herd, Orgy of Blood, etc. to trim them back. Such cards are never seen as it is. Fred

Ethan: It was not only your web site (which, I may add, is excellent and has now become indispensable to me) that mis-priced the Outcast Mage, but a recent Tremere Newsletter also had it costed wrong (see http://www.waste.org/~xian/geek/jyhad/news/tremere1-5.html). This, of course, lead me to believe that the cost had changed somehow. Thanks again for your site, [ quoted text not captured ]