How to start playing VTES?

I'm thinking about getting into the game. I played a little when Jyhad first came out (wish I kept my cards!). It's exciting that White Wolf has full control of the game now; It gives one confidence that they'll give it the support it deserves. My question is what should I buy to get into the game? Is the new Sabbat War stand-alone expansion enough or should I try and get some of the past expansions, including the first set? Is White Wolf reissuing cards from these old sets? I am heavily leaning toward Assamite decks even though I understand they're not exactly for beginners. Knowing that, would it be better and/or cheaper to buy a couple boxes of Ancient Hearts or just the singles dealing with the Assassins? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

bb...@my-deja.com wrote: > I'm thinking about getting into the game. I played a little when > Jyhad first came out (wish I kept my cards!). It's exciting that > White Wolf has full control of the game now; It gives one confidence > that they'll give it the support it deserves. > > My question is what should I buy to get into the game? Is the new > Sabbat War stand-alone expansion enough or should I try and get some > of the past expansions, including the first set? Is White Wolf > reissuing cards from these old sets? The only reissues are in the form of reprinted individual cards in the new expansions. White Wolf is not currently looking to do straight whole reprints the old WotC sets. > I am heavily leaning toward Assamite decks even though I understand > they're not exactly for beginners. Knowing that, would it be better > and/or cheaper to buy a couple boxes of Ancient Hearts or just the > singles dealing with the Assassins? Almost always cheaper to buy boxes than singles, esp. when boxes are going for below retail. Plus you get a lot of other cards that you may find useful later or that you can trade/give away. Also note that the next expansion, Final Nights, will focus on the independent clans and will include an Assamite preconstructed starter (as well as preconstructed starters for the other three). Final Nights is scheduled for a June release. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <94nahc$lhi$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > The only reissues are in the form of reprinted individual cards in > the new expansions. White Wolf is not currently looking to do > straight whole reprints the old WotC sets. > So Final Nights will probably have a bunch of cards reprinted from Ancient Hearts? What determines whether White Wolf reprints an old card in a new set or not? [ quoted text not captured ]

shadow...@mailexcite.com wrote: > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > The only reissues are in the form of reprinted individual cards in > > the new expansions. White Wolf is not currently looking to do > > straight whole reprints the old WotC sets. > > So Final Nights will probably have a bunch of cards reprinted from > Ancient Hearts? The boosters will contain only new cards - no reprints at all. The preconstructed starters will contain reprints as well as a few new cards. > What determines whether White Wolf reprints an old card in a new set > or not? The design team. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]

Does this mean that there will be no new cards concerning the Camarilla? That "purist" new players, who only want to play with new sets, will only get to use Vampires who have allegiance to the Sabbat or Indie clans? Or will Final Nights have vampires from all three sects (or at least some Camarilla in the mix with the Independents)? [ quoted text not captured ]

Jozxyqk <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote: > Does this mean that there will be no new cards concerning the > Camarilla? > That "purist" new players, who only want to play with new sets, will > only get to use Vampires who have allegiance to the Sabbat or Indie clans? > Or will Final Nights have vampires from all three sects (or at least some > Camarilla in the mix with the Independents)? The exact contents of the set has not been released. [ quoted text not captured ]

What do you mean by 'purist' new players? Are you saying that there are new players that follow some set of self-inflicted purity rules on themselves to play with only new cards? Or are you suggesting the possibility of new players only being able to find (and thus play) with the new cards that are out there....? I can understand what you mean, if you mean the latter. It makes a good point, but wow, I don't want reprints! I want new cards!! :) Dustin > That "purist" new players, who only want to play with new sets, will > only get to use Vampires who have allegiance to the Sabbat or Indie clans? > Or will Final Nights have vampires from all three sects (or at least some > Camarilla in the mix with the Independents)? [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <94q8ik$93t$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, rade...@my-deja.com wrote: > What do you mean by 'purist' new players? Are you saying that there are > new players that follow some set of self-inflicted purity rules on > themselves to play with only new cards? > > Or are you suggesting the possibility of new players only being able to > find (and thus play) with the new cards that are out there....? > > I can understand what you mean, if you mean the latter. It makes a good > point, but wow, I don't want reprints! I want new cards!! :) I think he might be trying to say that he's tired of seeing yet even MORE different vampire clans being released. Its very noble of WW to get so in depth into the game with new clans, new disiplines, etc... however it does little for those of use who's clans are all camarilla... And it makes buying Final Nights cards unprofitable (hmm... serpentis card, assimite card, <Insert list of independent cvampires and their discipline actions>, hey! ONE card I can possibly use in my <insert camarilla clan here> deck! Super..." Just a thought. -- ~Screaming Vermillian "We don't live, we just scratch on, day to day, with Nothing but math books and sarcasm in our pockets and all we're waiting for is Something worth waiting for." KMFDM 'Dogma' [ quoted text not captured ]

vermillian <vermi...@my-deja.com> wrote: > In article <94q8ik$93t$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, > rade...@my-deja.com wrote: >> What do you mean by 'purist' new players? Are you saying that there > are >> new players that follow some set of self-inflicted purity rules on >> themselves to play with only new cards? >> >> Or are you suggesting the possibility of new players only being able > to >> find (and thus play) with the new cards that are out there....? >> >> I can understand what you mean, if you mean the latter. It makes a > good >> point, but wow, I don't want reprints! I want new cards!! :) > I think he might be trying to say that he's tired of seeing yet even > MORE different vampire clans being released. Its very noble of WW to > get so in depth into the game with new clans, new disiplines, etc... > however it does little for those of use who's clans are all > camarilla... And it makes buying Final Nights cards unprofitable > (hmm... serpentis card, assimite card, <Insert list of independent > cvampires and their discipline actions>, hey! ONE card I can possibly > use in my <insert camarilla clan here> deck! Super..." No.. I was simply pointing out the fact that, theoretically, new players might want to say "Ok.. there's this new set, Sabbat War. It's a good place to start and spend a minimum of money." and not want to bother picking up older cards, but be perfectly happy buying packs from new expansions. On the other hand, it does make some in-game sense. Old-school Vampire was pretty much centered around the Camarilla, where they were the "good guys" and the Sabbat were the "bad guys" and the Independents were, er, the "ugly guys". Now, there's a much greyer area about who's "right". But a lack of Cam vampires in new sets altogether, to me, seems to imply that the Camarilla has given up on things, and they're letting everyone else duke it out. So let's hope that Final Nights (or, at least, The Third Expansion) has a significant Camarilla presence, for those people who are just discovering the game and don't feel like ebaying or ordering booster boxes for the older sets. Thankfully, however, Jyhad hasn't gone the way of Magic, flat-out banning older expansions in Tournament play. So, realistically, this should never present a problem... It would just be nice to have a constant 'base set' with core cards and core vampires that you can always count on seeing, and that is accessible to everyone, and that is always "in print", regardless of the current expansion (allowing for rule updates, card rotations, etc, as well).

> > Thankfully, however, Jyhad hasn't gone the way of Magic, flat-out banning > older expansions in Tournament play. So, realistically, this should never > present a problem... > It would just be nice to have a constant 'base set' with core cards and core > vampires that you can always count on seeing, and that is accessible to > everyone, and that is always "in print", regardless of the current expansion > (allowing for rule updates, card rotations, etc, as well). I second that. It would be the best thing for the game. An always-available base-set is the thing that new players need to get involved into the game. Also, IMO, a very good thing would be to have pre-constructed starters of *all* clans readily available at any given time. This way new players can just say "ok, I try it out. Which clan looks best to me? Oh yes, i'll take this Gangrel deck to start with." Also, it's fun for casual players to have one of each pre-constructed decks. They don't need to tweak decks every time and still have fun with a wide variety of available decks to play... :) Carl [ quoted text not captured ]