Who controls master cards on stolen minions

If a vampire has one or more Master cards played on it and is later stolen via Grave Robbing, does the original controller of the vampire still control the Master cards on that vampire? The focus of the question concerns what happens when the original controller of the vampire is ousted. Are the Master cards played before the change of control burned? My interpretation is that the default rule of "the Methuselah who played the Master card is the controller of the Master card" applies regardless of who currently controls the minion the Master card is on since there is no card text or rule to trump this. Therefore Master cards played by the original controller of the vampire are burned when that Methuselah is ousted, regardless of who controlled the vampire when they were played. Correct? Thanks Doug

Doug wrote: > > If a vampire has one or more Master cards played on it and is later > stolen via Grave Robbing, does the original controller of the vampire > still control the Master cards on that vampire? If the original controller of the vampire was the controller of the master cards to begin with, yes. Changing control of the minion won't change control of the master cards on him. Master cards are controlled by the Methuselah who played them. > The focus of the > question concerns what happens when the original controller of the > vampire is ousted. Are the Master cards played before the change of > control burned? If the controller of the master card is ousted, the master card is burned. > My interpretation is that the default rule of "the Methuselah who > played the Master card is the controller of the Master card" applies > regardless of who currently controls the minion the Master card is on > since there is no card text or rule to trump this. Therefore Master Correct. > cards played by the original controller of the vampire are burned when > that Methuselah is ousted, regardless of who controlled the vampire > when they were played. Correct? Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

So just for clairity's sake Which of the following are removed when I am ousted? My Palatial estate on my vampire, who was then grave-robbed Master skill cards on my vampire, who was then grave-robbed My Charnas the imp, played on my opponents vampire My disarm, played on an opponents vampire And it now occurs to me.... from the rule book: "If you are ousted, all the cards you control are burned. Any of your opponents' cards you may control are placed in their respective owners' ash heaps " Does this mean if Charnas the Imp is on one of my minions and I am ousted, the minion is burnt and I can place charnas on any other minion as a last spiteful gesture? Does it matter if it is my Charnas or somebody else's? Thanks, -JTP

"John P." wrote: > > So just for clairity's sake > Which of the following are removed when I am ousted? > > My Palatial estate on my vampire, who was then grave-robbed Minion cards are controlled by the controller of the minion. You do not control the minion => you do not control the Estate (a minion card) on the minion => it doesn't care if you're ousted. > Master skill cards on my vampire, who was then grave-robbed Master cards are controlled by the Methuselah who played them. You control the skill cards => the skill cards are burned when you are ousted. > My Charnas the imp, played on my opponents vampire See "minion cards" above. > My disarm, played on an opponents vampire See "minion cards" above. > And it now occurs to me.... from the rule book: > "If you are ousted, all the cards you control are burned. Any of your opponents' cards you may control are placed in their > respective owners' ash heaps " > > Does this mean if Charnas the Imp is on one of my minions and I am ousted, the minion is burnt > and I can place charnas on any other minion as a last spiteful gesture? No. Charnas is burned when you are ousted (since you control him). [LSJ 01-NOV-1999], [LSJ 03-APR-2001] > Does it matter if it is my Charnas or somebody else's? No. [ quoted text not captured ]

mess...@yahoo.com (Doug) wrote in message news:<2778f4d5.02100...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] And following on from this, a blood doll on a stolen vampire - can it be used? Marty

Marty wrote: > And following on from this, a blood doll on a stolen vampire - can it be used? Yes, by explicit card text. [ quoted text not captured ]

Wait a minute.... ...used by who ???? If I take control of one of my opponent's vampire with a blood doll on, who can take out blood ???? Thanks. Akaisuisei "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> ha scritto nel messaggio news:3DA45842...@white-wolf.com... [ quoted text not captured ]

Akaisuisei wrote: > If I take control of one of my opponent's vampire with a blood doll on, who > can take out blood ???? You - per text of Blood Doll, which specifically refers to the _vampire's_ controller, not the card's controller. If your opponent is ousted, however, the Blood Doll will still go away. Fred