Riposte and Pulled Fangs???

Ok, here is a lethal combo but is it legal. Since Riposte states combat ends is there a chance to play pulled fangs. Correct me if I am wrong but I do believe the latest ruling that I heard about pulled fangs was that is was to be played during the press phase. If so, combat ends should prevent a press phase altogether, right? Opions??? CK

kin...@infinity.ccsi.com (Cory Kanahele) writes: [ quoted text not captured ] Correct, Pulled Fangs is played during the press phase, and so cannot be played if there is no press phase (after Riposte, for instance). Amaranth, on the other hand, is a combat card to be played immediately *after* combat ends and the opposing vampire is going to torpor. So, if you Riposte an empty vampire, can you then Amaranth him? Tom? -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | File Not Found... http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | Delete User instead? (Y/y) Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. |

refp...@best.com (REF) writes: >kin...@infinity.ccsi.com (Cory Kanahele) wrote: >>Ok, here is a lethal combo but is it legal. Since Riposte states combat >>ends is there a chance to play pulled fangs. Correct me if I am wrong but >>I do believe the latest ruling that I heard about pulled fangs was that >>is was to be played during the press phase. If so, combat ends should >>prevent a press phase altogether, right? Opions??? >>CK >My opinion is yes. The same with Drawing out the beast. Drawing out the Beast's effect (superior - one damage) occurs at the end of a round, /regardless of how the round ends/. It does not have to wait for the Press step, and would therefore deal its damage at the end of any round - whether the round ends prematurely (Combat Ends) or not (after the Press Step). Pulled Fangs' effect (one agg) occurs after all strike resolutions in a given round (comparing the total damage swapped between combatants). Pulled Fangs can therefore only be played during combat, after strike resolution. Riposte prevnts combat from reaching that stage, so Fangs cannot be played. [ quoted text not captured ]

Cory Kanahele <kin...@infinity.ccsi.com> wrote: >Ok, here is a lethal combo but is it legal. Since Riposte states combat >ends is there a chance to play pulled fangs. Correct me if I am wrong but >I do believe the latest ruling that I heard about pulled fangs was that >is was to be played during the press phase. If so, combat ends should >prevent a press phase altogether, right? Opions??? Pulled Fangs is played when the round ends, regardless of when the round ends. For example, if you send a vampire to torpor via aggravated damage, you can yank its Fangs on its way out, even though you haven't reached the press step yet. Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

L. Scott Johnson <sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu> wrote: >Amaranth, on the other hand, is a combat card to be played immediately >*after* combat ends and the opposing vampire is going to torpor. So, >if you Riposte an empty vampire, can you then Amaranth him? Tom? Yes. [ quoted text not captured ]

aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) writes: >Cory Kanahele <kin...@infinity.ccsi.com> wrote: >>Ok, here is a lethal combo but is it legal. Since Riposte states combat >>ends is there a chance to play pulled fangs. Correct me if I am wrong but >>I do believe the latest ruling that I heard about pulled fangs was that >>is was to be played during the press phase. If so, combat ends should >>prevent a press phase altogether, right? Opions??? >Pulled Fangs is played when the round ends, regardless of when the >round ends. For example, if you send a vampire to torpor via >aggravated damage, you can yank its Fangs on its way out, even though >you haven't reached the press step yet. When did this reversal come about? From: aa...@hal.COM (Tom Wylie) Newsgroups: rec.games.deckmaster Subject: NEW: Rulings summary for Jyhad Date: 9 Nov 1994 13:11:24 -0800 Message-ID: <39rdts$s...@perv.hal.COM> Pulled Fangs: Used during the press step, and counts up damage successfully inflicted during the round. --- And you have, more recently, used this fact to say that Fangs are never pulled during strike resolution (as they would have to be in the incorrect answer above): From: aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad Subject: Rules Team Rulings: 11/10/95 Date: 12 Nov 1995 00:34:44 GMT Message-ID: <483ff4$9...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> 1) Damage prevention cards may only be played during a Check Damage step of combat (sometimes referred to as "strike resolution"). However, permanents that prevent damage and lasting effects (such as Flesh of Marble) can be applied outside of this step. While you can't play Skin of Rock to prevent the damage from Pulled Fangs, the damage could be prevented if you had superior Flesh of Marble in effect, or an unused Flak Jacket. [ quoted text not captured ]

aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie) writes: >Cory Kanahele <kin...@infinity.ccsi.com> wrote: >>Ok, here is a lethal combo but is it legal. Since Riposte states combat >>ends is there a chance to play pulled fangs. Correct me if I am wrong but >>I do believe the latest ruling that I heard about pulled fangs was that >>is was to be played during the press phase. If so, combat ends should >>prevent a press phase altogether, right? Opions??? >Pulled Fangs is played when the round ends, regardless of when the >round ends. For example, if you send a vampire to torpor via >aggravated damage, you can yank its Fangs on its way out, even though >you haven't reached the press step yet. Can you use Pulled Fangs after Majesty (if you perform Majesty as an additional strike after your initial strike inflicts more damage than your opponent's)? Can you use Pulled Fangs after tapping both the Spawing Pool and then the Elysium (on the second round of combat, of course)? [ quoted text not captured ]

sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu (L. Scott Johnson) wrote: >Can you use Pulled Fangs after Majesty (if you perform Majesty >as an additional strike after your initial strike inflicts more >damage than your opponent's)? >Can you use Pulled Fangs after tapping both the Spawing Pool and >then the Elysium (on the second round of combat, of course)? >-- >L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | File Not Found... >http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | Delete User instead? (Y/y) >Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. | Doesn't Spawning Pool have to be used during strike resolution? Rory

L. Scott Johnson <sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu> wrote: >>Pulled Fangs is played when the round ends, regardless of when the >>round ends. For example, if you send a vampire to torpor via >>aggravated damage, you can yank its Fangs on its way out, even though >>you haven't reached the press step yet. >When did this reversal come about? This was simply was a mistake on my part (I had Taste of Vitae on the brain). [ quoted text not captured ]