I was pursuing a totally evil thought of Secure Haven + Pentex (that
doesn't work for obvious reasons) when I came across this in ARDB.
The cardlist.txt also mirrors the wording.
Name: Secure Haven
[DS:C2, FN:PS, CE:PM, Anarchs:PAB, Third:PM, LotN:PS]
Cardtype: Master
Cost: 1 pool
Master: unique location. Haven.
Put this card on a minion you control. This minion cannot be -{the
target of other Methuselahs' actions}-. Any Methuselah burns an
additional pool when playing master cards on (or that target) this
minion. Burn this card if this minion enters torpor. A minion may have
only one haven.
Artist: Edward Beard, Jr.; Katie McCaskill
"This minion cannot be -{the target of other Methuselahs' actions}-."
Shouldn't that be "...other minion's actions..." as Methuselah's don't
have actions? This also seems to imply your own minions would be able
to take actions that target the Secure Haven'ed vampire.
On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 18:06:01 -0700 (PDT), Obtenebration wrote:
>"This minion cannot be -{the target of other Methuselahs' actions}-.">Shouldn't that be "...other minion's actions..." as Methuselah's don't
>have actions?
It should be "other Methuselah's minion's actions.
> This also seems to imply your own minions would be able
>to take actions that target the Secure Haven'ed vampire.
They can.
Only 'directed' actions are prohibited, and actions that target things
you control are not 'directed' at another player.
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It means "actions by minions controlled by other Methuselahs".
Your own minions _can_ take actions that target your own secure haven'ed
minion.
That held true under the old definition for (D) actions (actions "Directed"
at your own stuff are "Undirected") as well.
The correction is just a reflection of the new definition for (D) actions;
Now, an action that targets multiple Methuselahs is "directed", when it used
to not be, so now your Secure Havened guy is immune to it.
On Oct 8, 9:16 pm, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote:
> Obtenebration <pa...@obtenebration.org> wrote:
> > I was pursuing a totally evil thought of Secure Haven + Pentex (that
> > doesn't work for obvious reasons) when I came across this in ARDB.
> > The cardlist.txt also mirrors the wording.
> > Name: Secure Haven
> > [DS:C2, FN:PS, CE:PM, Anarchs:PAB, Third:PM, LotN:PS]
> > Cardtype: Master
> > Cost: 1 pool
> > Master: unique location. Haven.
> > Put this card on a minion you control. This minion cannot be -{the
> > target of other Methuselahs' actions}-. Any Methuselah burns an
> > additional pool when playing master cards on (or that target) this
> > minion. Burn this card if this minion enters torpor. A minion may have
> > only one haven.
> > Artist: Edward Beard, Jr.; Katie McCaskill
> > "This minion cannot be -{the target of other Methuselahs' actions}-."
> > Shouldn't that be "...other minion's actions..." as Methuselah's don't
> > have actions? This also seems to imply your own minions would be able
> > to take actions that target the Secure Haven'ed vampire.
>
> It means "actions by minions controlled by other Methuselahs".
Correct (the card text is correct).
> Your own minions _can_ take actions that target your own secure haven'ed
> minion.
>
> That held true under the old definition for (D) actions (actions "Directed"
> at your own stuff are "Undirected") as well.
>
> The correction is just a reflection of the new definition for (D) actions;
> Now, an action that targets multiple Methuselahs is "directed", when it used
> to not be, so now your Secure Havened guy is immune to it.
Correct.
On Oct 8, 6:21 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> On Oct 8, 9:16 pm, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Obtenebration <pa...@obtenebration.org> wrote:
> > > I was pursuing a totally evil thought of Secure Haven + Pentex (that
> > > doesn't work for obvious reasons) when I came across this in ARDB.
> > > The cardlist.txt also mirrors the wording.
> > > Name: Secure Haven
> > > [DS:C2, FN:PS, CE:PM, Anarchs:PAB, Third:PM, LotN:PS]
> > > Cardtype: Master
> > > Cost: 1 pool
> > > Master: unique location. Haven.
> > > Put this card on a minion you control. This minion cannot be -{the
> > > target of other Methuselahs' actions}-. Any Methuselah burns an
> > > additional pool when playing master cards on (or that target) this
> > > minion. Burn this card if this minion enters torpor. A minion may have
> > > only one haven.
> > > Artist: Edward Beard, Jr.; Katie McCaskill
> > > "This minion cannot be -{the target of other Methuselahs' actions}-."
> > > Shouldn't that be "...other minion's actions..." as Methuselah's don't
> > > have actions? This also seems to imply your own minions would be able
> > > to take actions that target the Secure Haven'ed vampire.
>
> > It means "actions by minions controlled by other Methuselahs".
>
> Correct (the card text is correct).
Was wondering about this, as I didn't remember ever having an issue
with the card's text itself. Unfortunately I'd have a hard time
explaining why I have 5 large boxes of cards on my desk at work.
>
> > Your own minions _can_ take actions that target your own secure haven'ed
> > minion.
>
> > That held true under the old definition for (D) actions (actions "Directed"
> > at your own stuff are "Undirected") as well.
>
> > The correction is just a reflection of the new definition for (D) actions;
> > Now, an action that targets multiple Methuselahs is "directed", when it used
> > to not be, so now your Secure Havened guy is immune to it.
>> Correct.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well directed or undirected shouldn't matter right, it's just looking
to see if the minion is a target? Horseshoes played at a minion you
control is an undirected action that targets a minion you control.
Obtenebration <pa...@obtenebration.org> wrote:
> Well directed or undirected shouldn't matter right, it's just looking
> to see if the minion is a target? Horseshoes played at a minion you
> control is an undirected action that targets a minion you control.
It has to do with old rules vs. new rules.
Under the old rules, a Directed action was an action that targeted
a single Methuselah other than the acting minion's controller.
An action that was typically Directed, but targeted one's own minion,
was always Undirected. You could always target your own Secure Havened
minion with otherwise-directed actions (such as Horseshoes).
An action that targeted minions/cards/pool of multiple Methuselahs was
always Undirected, and wasn't considered to be "targeting" anything.
The main thing that changed with the new definition of Directed Actions
is that last bit. An action that targets multiple other Methuselahs is
now considered Directed.
In order to clear up the ambiguity altogether, Scott started updating
older cards' texts to reflect the new definition of Directed Action
without using the term Directed Action or the (D) symbol.