Vamps in Torpor

A question came up on Sunday, that we thought needed clarifying. Obviously, if a vamp is in torpor, it isn't ready, so can't play any cards that require a ready vampire, however 1) Can you put discipline cards on a vampire in torpor? 2) If the only Malkavian you have out is in torpor, can I still get out an Asylum Hunting Ground, (Ventrue - Ventrue Headquarters, etc). This arose as I played my Mama Constanza's pizza delivery deck, and very quickly torporized my opponents vamps as soon as he got them out. (http://www.geocities.com/setitesuk/vtesdecks/pizza.html) Cheers Andy Setite Ruler of Cambridge http://www.geocities.com/setitesuk -- Whether it is nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outragous fortune, or get fat on chocolate cake, eat the cake, life is too short to worry!

"Andy Brown" <a...@sanger.ac.uk> wrote in message news:3BD515AA...@sanger.ac.uk... > A question came up on Sunday, that we thought needed clarifying. > > Obviously, if a vamp is in torpor, it isn't ready, so can't play any > cards that require a ready vampire, however > > 1) Can you put discipline cards on a vampire in torpor? No rule against it. Card text doesn't prohibit it either. For example: Name: Celerity Master: Discipline. Put this card on a vampire. This vampire has Celerity; if the vampire already had Celerity, he or she now has superior Celerity. Capacity increases by 1: the vampire is one generation older. Cannot be played on a vampire with superior Celerity. The text would have used the term "ready" if it were not playable on a vampire in torpor. > 2) If the only Malkavian you have out is in torpor, can I still get > out an Asylum Hunting Ground, (Ventrue - Ventrue Headquarters, etc). No. Rulebook 1.6.1 -Robert rob...@vtesinla.org

"Robert Goudie" <rrgo...@earthlink.net> wrote: >"Andy Brown" <a...@sanger.ac.uk> wrote in message >news:3BD515AA...@sanger.ac.uk... [snip] >> 1) Can you put discipline cards on a vampire in torpor? > >No rule against it. Card text doesn't prohibit it either. For example: > > Name: Celerity > Master: Discipline. > Put this card on a vampire. This vampire has Celerity; if the vampire > already had Celerity, he or she now has superior Celerity. Capacity > increases by 1: the vampire is one generation older. Cannot be played > on a vampire with superior Celerity. > >The text would have used the term "ready" if it were not playable on a vampire >in torpor. It doesn't say that the vampire has to be controlled either. [snip] Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices.

"Gene Wirchenko" <ge...@mail.ocis.net> wrote in message > "Robert Goudie" <rrgo...@earthlink.net> wrote: > >"Andy Brown" <a...@sanger.ac.uk> wrote in message > > >> 1) Can you put discipline cards on a vampire in torpor? > > > >No rule against it. Card text doesn't prohibit it either. For example: > > > > Name: Celerity > > Master: Discipline. > > Put this card on a vampire. This vampire has Celerity; if the vampire > > already had Celerity, he or she now has superior Celerity. Capacity > > increases by 1: the vampire is one generation older. Cannot be played > > on a vampire with superior Celerity. > > > >The text would have used the term "ready" if it were not playable on a vampire > >in torpor. > > It doesn't say that the vampire has to be controlled either. The rulebook says that uncontrolled cards cannot be the target of card effects (without overriding card text, of course). 1.6.1 Also, 1.6.2 says that skill cards have to go on controlled vampires. -Robert rob...@vtesinla.org

In message <QdsB7.6608$Sd.6...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Robert Goudie <rrgo...@earthlink.net> writes: >> It doesn't say that the vampire has to be controlled either. > >The rulebook says that uncontrolled cards cannot be the target of card effects >(without overriding card text, of course). 1.6.1 > >Also, 1.6.2 says that skill cards have to go on controlled vampires. Similarly, contested cards also need specific card text to be affected. A controlled uncontested, but not necessarily ready, card is the default target of all such cards without further card text. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D And if it's all right, I'd kind've like to be your lover EBD690ECD7A1F 'Cause when you're with me I can't help but be B457CA213D7E6 So desperately, uncontrollably happy 68C3695D623D5D

James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: >In message <QdsB7.6608$Sd.6...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, >Robert Goudie <rrgo...@earthlink.net> writes: >>> It doesn't say that the vampire has to be controlled either. >> >>The rulebook says that uncontrolled cards cannot be the target of card effects >>(without overriding card text, of course). 1.6.1 >> >>Also, 1.6.2 says that skill cards have to go on controlled vampires. > >Similarly, contested cards also need specific card text to be affected. > >A controlled uncontested, but not necessarily ready, card is the default >target of all such cards without further card text. A controlled vampire is ready by definition. Or is this another definition that has gotten changed? [ quoted text not captured ]

Gene Wirchenko wrote: > > James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > > >In message <QdsB7.6608$Sd.6...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, > >Robert Goudie <rrgo...@earthlink.net> writes: > >>> It doesn't say that the vampire has to be controlled either. > >> > >>The rulebook says that uncontrolled cards cannot be the target of card effects > >>(without overriding card text, of course). 1.6.1 > >> > >>Also, 1.6.2 says that skill cards have to go on controlled vampires. > > > >Similarly, contested cards also need specific card text to be affected. > > > >A controlled uncontested, but not necessarily ready, card is the default > >target of all such cards without further card text. > > A controlled vampire is ready by definition. Or is this another > definition that has gotten changed? > Whilst I started this thread, this one I know. You still control vamps in torpor, but they are not ready. My question started due to us not having a rulebook with us at the time we played, silly us. Thanks for answers. Andy Setite Ruler of Cambridge http://www.geocities.com/setitesuk -- Who needs Rules? Set sets our laws, and we shall be victorious.

Andy Brown wrote: > Gene Wirchenko wrote: > > A controlled vampire is ready by definition. Or is this another > > definition that has gotten changed? > > Whilst I started this thread, this one I know. You still control vamps > in torpor, but they are not ready. Correct. This is how it has always been - no definitions changed here. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/