I had always taken for granted that if your vampire performs an action
and is blocked that you start maneuvering, you declare strike first, etc.
However, I happened to be browsing the rulebook and came across this
startling paragraph:
"In general, the player of the acting minion must decide each phase if
the minion will use a card or do something before the blocking minion.
If the acting minion foregoes this opportunity to act first, it cannot
reconsider and take action, except in direct response to the blocking
minion."
Whoah! What's up? Does this mean if I am playing a combat deck, and my
prey is playing a Presence vote deck, that I can wait to see if he plays
Majesty before I waste my nasty damage card?
There have been many times when I found myself playing Gangrel against my
friend's Toreador with Majesty. I bleed, he blocks, he waits for me to
whip out my Wolf Claws so he can play his Majesty, thereby making me
waste a precious aggravated damage card.
This brings up another question. Can I play Wolf Claws (since it isn't a
strike card) right between Choose Strike and Resolve Strike (thereby
eliminating the possibility of wasting it on a dodge or Majesty)?
But getting back to my original question, could somebody please clarify
what I can or cannot do as the acting vampire? Thanks.
--
Simeon
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simeo...@bbs.fullcoll.edu
In article <jcloverD...@netcom.com>,
James C. Clover <jcl...@netcom.com> wrote:
>"In general, the player of the acting minion must decide each phase if
>the minion will use a card or do something before the blocking minion.
>If the acting minion foregoes this opportunity to act first, it cannot
>reconsider and take action, except in direct response to the blocking
>minion."
>
>Whoah! What's up? Does this mean if I am playing a combat deck, and my
>prey is playing a Presence vote deck, that I can wait to see if he plays
>Majesty before I waste my nasty damage card?
If you are blocking your Prey's acting minion, yes.
>There have been many times when I found myself playing Gangrel against my
>friend's Toreador with Majesty. I bleed, he blocks, he waits for me to
>whip out my Wolf Claws so he can play his Majesty, thereby making me
>waste a precious aggravated damage card.
>
>This brings up another question. Can I play Wolf Claws (since it isn't a
>strike card) right between Choose Strike and Resolve Strike (thereby
>eliminating the possibility of wasting it on a dodge or Majesty)?
Yes, you may play Wolf Claws after both strikes have been declared and before
they start resolving, allowing you to save your aggravated damage until
you *know* it won't be dodged or S:CE'ed.
>But getting back to my original question, could somebody please clarify
>what I can or cannot do as the acting vampire? Thanks.
Acting vampire: declines to play further stealth to complete the action
-- he is blocked.
Acting Vampire: chooses whether or not to play a card (Freak Drive, e.g.)
before combat starts.
(Then blocking minion does the same)
Acting vampire: chooses whether or not to play any combat cards before range
is choosen (Torn Sign Post, etc.)
(Then blocking Minion does the same).
Acting vampire: chooses whether or not to play a maneuver first.
(Then blocking Minion does the same or responds- start looping).
Acting vampire: chooses his initial strike
(Then blocking Minion does the same (except in Jyhad if the acting vamp's
strike was to end combat: this resolves prematurely. this has been fixed
in V:tES)).
All strikes done at first strike resolve.
All non-first strike strikes resolve.
Acting Minion chooses whether ot not to gain additional strikes.
(Then blocking Minion does the same).
Acting Minion chooses whether or not to initiate the Press sequence.
(Then blocking Minion does the same or responds- start looping).
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L. Scott Johnson (lsc...@crl.com) | The opinions expressed are mine
Graphics Specialist and Jyhad Rulemonger | and subject to card text
James C. Clover (jcl...@netcom.com) writes:
> I had always taken for granted that if your vampire performs an action
> and is blocked that you start maneuvering, you declare strike first, etc.
> However, I happened to be browsing the rulebook and came across this
> startling paragraph:
>> "In general, the player of the acting minion must decide each phase if
> the minion will use a card or do something before the blocking minion.
> If the acting minion foregoes this opportunity to act first, it cannot
> reconsider and take action, except in direct response to the blocking
> minion."
>
> Whoah! What's up? Does this mean if I am playing a combat deck, and my
> prey is playing a Presence vote deck, that I can wait to see if he plays
> Majesty before I waste my nasty damage card?
>> There have been many times when I found myself playing Gangrel against my
> friend's Toreador with Majesty. I bleed, he blocks, he waits for me to
> whip out my Wolf Claws so he can play his Majesty, thereby making me
> waste a precious aggravated damage card.
yup. that's what majesty is for.
>
> This brings up another question. Can I play Wolf Claws (since it isn't a
> strike card) right between Choose Strike and Resolve Strike (thereby
> eliminating the possibility of wasting it on a dodge or Majesty)?
>
no. choose strike means you say "hands" and opponent
says block/dodge/no action. THEN you play wolf's claws to make the damage
more nasty. if he doesn't delcare a dodge or majesty or deflection or
whatever then he cannot react unless he has cards that let him.
> But getting back to my original question, could somebody please clarify
> what I can or cannot do as the acting vampire? Thanks.> --
you initiate the action. your oponent decides to block. you are now in
combat.
determine range. (or tap elysium and combat ends 9) )
ok, now you choose strikes. you pick hands and he says "me too"
you say "wolfs claws" and he says ouch.
--
Serendipity isn't just when you're overrewarded for reasonable effort,
like when you dig for worms and strike gold. It's also when you're
cleaning your gun, and you've stupidly forgotten to unload it, and it goes
off unexpectantly, hitting the burglar you didn't see right between the eyes.
The proper way to use a card like Wolf Claws is to wait until your
opponent declares his strike. After the strike is declared, use your
Wolf Claws...it is then too late to Dodge, Majesty...etc.
L. Scott Johnson (lsc...@crl.com) writes:
> In article <jcloverD...@netcom.com>,> Acting vampire: chooses his initial strike
> (Then blocking Minion does the same (except in Jyhad if the acting vamp's
> strike was to end combat: this resolves prematurely. this has been fixed
> in V:tES)).
> All strikes done at first strike resolve.
With the exception of Dodge...<sulk>
> L. Scott Johnson (lsc...@crl.com) | The opinions expressed are mine
> Graphics Specialist and Jyhad Rulemonger | and subject to card text
Behind the Beauty, Jere
Cracks Appear... Culleton
On Sat, 5 Aug 1995, Mark Templeton wrote:
>
> James C. Clover (jcl...@netcom.com) writes:
> >> > (I control Chester DuBois; my prey controls Kallista)
> >
> > Chester bleeds.
> > Kallista blocks.
> > Me: "No maneuver."
> > Prey: "No maneuver."
> > Me: "Hmm.. I'd hate to waste Undead Strength if she's going to dodge...
> > Uh... you go first."
> > Prey: "Hand strike."
> > Me: "Undead Strength superior!"
> > ...
> >
> > See what I'm saying? This looks ridiculous, but according to the text of
> > the rule book, I can forgoe the opportunity to act first, yet I can act
> > in response to the blocker's play.
> >
>
> oops. undead strength is a modifier for a hand attack is it not? therfore
> you declare hand strike, she declares hand strike and THEN you show the
> undead strength to hose her big time. of course she can also use a
> discipline to dodge card if she has one.
>
Hi Mark,
Hi James,
Actually the magic word is STRIKE:, when a card text includes the
word Strike followed by a colon, then that card represents your actual
strike. So in James example, Chester is the acting vampire and must
declare his intentions first. Chester doesn't manuver, so he can not
change his mind and manuver later unless Kalista manuvers.... However
players must always declare a strike, so once range is determined Chester
must declare his strike first, and since Undead Strength is a strike,
Chester must declare it before he knows if Kallista is dodging. Wolf
claws and Claws of the Dead do not say Strike:, therefore you may play
them after you see if the target is dodging....
Algustas
*****Strike at every favorable opportunity. For your homes and hearths,
strike! For future generations of your sons and daughters, strike! In the
name of your sacred dead, strike!***** Gen. Douglas Macarthur
On Sat, 5 Aug 1995, Algustas wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> Hi James,
> Actually the magic word is STRIKE:, when a card text includes the
> word Strike followed by a colon, then that card represents your actual
> strike. So in James example, Chester is the acting vampire and must
>
Oops, I forgot to say that dodges are always strikes (there is
one dodge card out there that says dodge instead of Strike: Dodge) so
Dodge has to be declared as your strike, not afterwards.
Algustas
*****There is no right to strike against the public safety by anybody,
anywhere, any time.*****Calvin Coolidge
>>"In general, the player of the acting minion must decide each phase if
>>the minion will use a card or do something before the blocking minion.
>>If the acting minion foregoes this opportunity to act first, it cannot
>>reconsider and take action, except in direct response to the blocking
>>minion."
>>
>>Whoah! What's up? Does this mean if I am playing a combat deck, and my
>>prey is playing a Presence vote deck, that I can wait to see if he plays
>>Majesty before I waste my nasty damage card?
Thanks, guys for the help, but I didn't quite get all my questions
answered. Let me clarify. Please read the text above, which I quoted
from the small rules book. It would seem to suggest that the following
could take place:
(I control Chester DuBois; my prey controls Kallista)
Chester bleeds.
Kallista blocks.
Me: "No maneuver."
Prey: "No maneuver."
Me: "Hmm.. I'd hate to waste Undead Strength if she's going to dodge...
Uh... you go first."
Prey: "Hand strike."
Me: "Undead Strength superior!"
...
See what I'm saying? This looks ridiculous, but according to the text of
the rule book, I can forgoe the opportunity to act first, yet I can act
in response to the blocker's play.
--
Simeon
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simeo...@bbs.fullcoll.edu
James C. Clover (jcl...@netcom.com) writes:
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oops. undead strength is a modifier for a hand attack is it not? therfore
you declare hand strike, she declares hand strike and THEN you show the
undead strength to hose her big time. of course she can also use a
discipline to dodge card if she has one.
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