shock troops

If one of my vampires play shocktroops can I play my disciplin card from hand and draw up to my maximum handsize and then play som more disciplin-cards as shoocktroops? Thanks jk

"lizardusrex" <lizard...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:882ee023.02072...@posting.google.com... > If one of my vampires play shocktroops can I play my disciplin card > from hand and draw up to my maximum handsize and then play som more > disciplin-cards as shoocktroops? no ! all the master discipline you want to turn into shock troops must be in your hand at the time you play the master Shock Troops. else you would be able to go in a very long loop and create 40 vampires in a turn...

"reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3d43b2fe$0$24022$79c1...@nan-newsreader-02.noos.net... [ quoted text not captured ] You do replace the "Shock Troops" card though so you could potentially create as many shovel-heads as your maximum hand size. (I think). -JTP

[ quoted text not captured ] You don't replace the Master : "Shock troops" until its effect are applied. You can create up to your max hand size minus 1.

[ quoted text not captured ] You don't replace the Master : "Shock troops" until its effect are applied. You can create up to your max hand size minus 1. Remember you must announce the terms of a master card when you play it. You must tell which vampire you target and how much blood you move the moment you play minion tap ; You must specify on which vampire you'll play your Society of Lepold. Following the same Pattern, you must say how many shock troopers you attempt to put into play when playing Shock troops ;) reyda

> You don't replace the Master : "Shock troops" until its effect are applied. > You can create up to your max hand size minus 1. > > Remember you must announce the terms of a master card when you play it. You > must tell which vampire you target and how much blood you move the moment > you play minion tap ; You must specify on which vampire you'll play your > Society of Lepold. Following the same Pattern, you must say how many shock > troopers you attempt to put into play when playing Shock troops ;) > Is it legal to "gamble". You play the card, announce that you are going to put X+1 Shock Trooper into play (where X is number of disciplinecards in hand), see if someone sudden reverses it, draw a card and hope it's a disciplincard? I can't imagine that this is legal, but I've got to ask. And what happens if you don't draw that disciplin? It fizzles?

(snip) > Remember you must announce the terms of a master card when you play it. You > must tell which vampire you target and how much blood you move the moment > you play minion tap ; You must specify on which vampire you'll play your > Society of Lepold. Following the same Pattern, you must say how many shock > troopers you attempt to put into play when playing Shock troops ;) > > reyda Card text does not say that you must anounce the number of shock troops you create Shock Troops [SW] Cardtype: Master Cost: X pool <Master.> Requires a ready archbishop or cardinal. Put X Master: Discipline cards from your hand into play. These cards represent clanless Sabbat vampires of 1 capacity with those respective Disciplines and do not count as Master: Discipline cards while in play. These vampires are not unique, must hunt the turn they are created, have -1 stealth on all actions and cannot attempt bleeds or political actions. And you can replace cards as normal during you're master phase so the loop could be done unless I'm overlooking some thing. Perhaps LSJ could shine his light on this one. Emile "We are an ape with a symbiotic relationship to a mushroom"

On 28 Jul 2002 17:21:18 -0700, ebo...@hotmail.com (Emile Bosman) wrote: >(snip) >> Remember you must announce the terms of a master card when you play it. You >> must tell which vampire you target and how much blood you move the moment >> you play minion tap ; You must specify on which vampire you'll play your >> Society of Lepold. Following the same Pattern, you must say how many shock >> troopers you attempt to put into play when playing Shock troops ;) >Card text does not say that you must anounce the number of shock >troops you create Yes it does. "X Pool" You must announce the X when you play the card. >Shock Troops [SW] >Cardtype: Master >Cost: X pool ><Master.> Requires a ready archbishop or cardinal. >Put X Master: Discipline cards from your hand into play. These cards >represent clanless Sabbat vampires of 1 capacity with those respective >Disciplines and do not count as Master: Discipline cards while in >play. These vampires are not unique, must hunt the turn they are >created, have -1 stealth on all actions and cannot attempt bleeds or >political actions. >And you can replace cards as normal during you're master phase so the >loop could be done unless I'm overlooking some thing. You announce the cost of the card when you play it. You do not replace until you have played the card. You have announced the number of Shock Troops you would like before you can replace it. >Perhaps LSJ could shine his light on this one. He already has. LSJ 2000-11-30 http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8tvbok%2425t%241%40nnrp1.deja.com Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com

On 28 Jul 2002 16:31:51 -0700, saso...@online.no (Martin Bruset Solberg) wrote: >> You don't replace the Master : "Shock troops" until its effect are applied. >> You can create up to your max hand size minus 1. >> Remember you must announce the terms of a master card when you play it. You >> must tell which vampire you target and how much blood you move the moment >> you play minion tap ; You must specify on which vampire you'll play your >> Society of Lepold. Following the same Pattern, you must say how many shock >> troopers you attempt to put into play when playing Shock troops ;) >Is it legal to "gamble"? No. > You play the card, announce that you are >going to put X+1 Shock Trooper into play (where X is number of >disciplinecards in hand), see if someone sudden reverses it, draw a >card and hope it's a disciplincard? No. >I can't imagine that this is legal, but I've got to ask. And what >happens if you don't draw that disciplin? It fizzles? You receive a warning from the judge for misplaying / misrepresenting the state of the game, then it goes back into your hand, the card you drew goes back into your deck, and you are assessed a penalty for gaining knowledge of the rest of your deck illegally. Section 5.1 of the tournament rules. http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/veknRules.html 5.1 Cheating Misrepresenting rules or card texts or errata Drawing extra cards Misrepresenting public information (pool totals, number of cards in deck, and so on) [ quoted text not captured ]

Emile wrote: >Card text does not say that you must anounce the number of shock >troops you create > >Shock Troops [SW] >Cardtype: Master > >Cost: X pool Well, yes it does. You must pay the cost when you play the card. Therefore, you must decide what X is when you play the card. ><Master.> Requires a ready archbishop or cardinal. >Put X Master: Discipline cards from your hand into play. And then the next thing you do, after playing the card, is resolve the effect. Some effects, like actions or strikes, take time to resolve. But almost all master cards are resolved instantly, before anything else happens, and before any replacing is done. Once you replace your master card, the effect is finished.

[ quoted text not captured ] Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

The Lasombra <thela...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3d4495c...@text.giganews.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Ok, ok! I wasn't thinking of doing it without checking the rules first. *sigh*. Cool down a bit, ok?