Continue message "ancient mummy :o)"
My opinion is for the better use follow:
Play temptation on prey's vampire, then play Clan Impersonation on him
and change his clan to Setite. If Akhenatem fight with this vampire
then Akhenatem hand damage is aggrivated or Akhenatem may do D action
and burn this vampire. Number of Temptations and Akhenatems in deck
isn't important, because used temptation (on burned vampire) may return
from ash heap Akenathem or Dedefra with Whispers from the Dead and
burend Akenathem is put into library. Big problem is the Mummy cost and
only 3 lives :(
Hmmm, yes this combo is very, very bad, but I wish play with Mummys for
evrey cost ;) Also, you may try play Seed of Corruption with Kemintiri
on "prey's setite" hmmm. maybe.
Kerebutu is unpalyable :(
I think that the Mummy's cost really high. I would very cool if Hesha
had ability to employ mummyies one (or two) less pool :)
I'd wellcome any suggestions about using mummies.
Milos Dammer, Prince of Bratislava
(Sorry, I'm not good english)
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In article <8asr4b$3pm$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
webm...@eurovampire.com wrote:
> Continue message "ancient mummy :o)"
>
> My opinion is for the better use follow:
> Play temptation on prey's vampire, then play Clan Impersonation on him
> and change his clan to Setite. If Akhenatem fight with this vampire
> then Akhenatem hand damage is aggrivated or Akhenatem may do D action
> and burn this vampire. Number of Temptations and Akhenatems in deck
> isn't important, because used temptation (on burned vampire) may
return
> from ash heap Akenathem or Dedefra with Whispers from the Dead and
> burend Akenathem is put into library. Big problem is the Mummy cost
and
> only 3 lives :(
>
> Hmmm, yes this combo is very, very bad, but I wish play with Mummys
for
> evrey cost ;) Also, you may try play Seed of Corruption with Kemintiri
> on "prey's setite" hmmm. maybe.
>
> Kerebutu is unpalyable :(
>
> I think that the Mummy's cost really high. I would very cool if Hesha
> had ability to employ mummyies one (or two) less pool :)
>
> I'd wellcome any suggestions about using mummies.
Not so many suggestions at the moment, hovewer, an interesting one
maybe the following:
keep in your hand some Compel the Spirit (from Dark Sovereign), until
your library will be empty, at that point have an
Akhenaten in play or a Kherebutu (or both); have him burned to burn a
proper vampire (either a Follower of Set for Akhenaten or a Tremere for
Kherebutu),
take back the Mummy (for free) from your ash heap with a Superior
Compel the Spirit, then again
burn another proper Vamp by burning again the Compeled Mummy,
then again take it back with another the Superior Compel the Spirit,
then again burn a Vamp..and so on until your hand will be reduced to
zero.
At that point you may Withdraw from the game ending up in glory.
It's not a very good or functional strategy, but at least a very
original one (providing your actual prey is playing Tremere or
Followers of Set).
It would work a bit better if you manage to have a very large hand size
at the moment you have your library empty (Elder library, Cassandra
Magus Prime amd so on).
You must have your cript library, else the Mummies had to be reshuffled
in your library and the superior Compel could not work.
Wait a bit, and you'll find more interesting uses for the Mummies.
Best.
Aemilianus, Prince of Rome
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In article <8aub5c$71h$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
[ quoted text not captured ]> You must have your library empty (this is correction of the previous
one, sorry for that), else the Mummies had to be reshuffled
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 tetragr...@my-deja.com wrote:
> keep in your hand some Compel the Spirit (from Dark Sovereign), until
> your library will be empty, at that point have an
> Akhenaten in play or a Kherebutu (or both); have him burned to burn a
> proper vampire (either a Follower of Set for Akhenaten or a Tremere for
> Kherebutu),
This would first of all require other people to be playing those clans -
neither are especially popular.
> take back the Mummy (for free) from your ash heap with a Superior
> Compel the Spirit, then again
But unfortunately, here it breaks down.
When either Akhenaten or Kherebutu are burned, they go into your
library. Compel the Spirit works on cards in your ash-heap, so cannot be
played on either of the vampires.
--
James Coupe
In article <Pine.SOL.4.21.000318...@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>,
jr...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 tetragr...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > keep in your hand some Compel the Spirit (from Dark Sovereign),
UNTIL YOUR LIBRARY WILL BE EMPTY,
> > at that point have an
> > Akhenaten in play or a Kherebutu (or both); have him burned to burn
a
> > proper vampire (either a Follower of Set for Akhenaten or a Tremere
for
> > Kherebutu),
>
> This would first of all require other people to be playing those
clans -
> neither are especially popular.
>
> > take back the Mummy (for free) from your ash heap with a Superior
> > Compel the Spirit, then again
>
> But unfortunately, here it breaks down.
>
> When either Akhenaten or Kherebutu are burned, they go into your
> library. Compel the Spirit works on cards in your ash-heap, so cannot
be
> played on either of the vampires.
PLEASE, read the maiusc above first.
Best, Aemilianus.
>
> --
>
> James Coupe[ quoted text not captured ]
On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 tetragr...@my-deja.com wrote:
> PLEASE, read the maiusc above first.
I did read that your library was empty - I do not know what "maiusc" is.
The mummies still go into your library, to the best of my knowledge - it
simply has no cards in it, but still exists (such that a hypothetical
effect "Move 5 cards from your ash-heap to your library" would work even
if your library were empty).
That way, Compel the Spirit is still unplayable, as the mummies are either
in your library, or in your hand, but not in your ash-heap, unless you can
discard them there (which makes a somewhat tenuous combo, requiring a
player to be playing specific clans, even more tenuous, since you need a
discard mechanism in play).
If you still think I'm missing something, it would be useful if you would
explain your point, rather than just SHOUTING BY USING LOTS OF CAPITAL
LETTERS.
--
James Coupe
>That way, Compel the Spirit is still unplayable, as the mummies are either
>in your library, or in your hand, but not in your ash-heap, unless you can
>discard them there (which makes a somewhat tenuous combo, requiring a
>player to be playing specific clans, even more tenuous, since you need a
>discard mechanism in play).
Sorry to burst your bubble, but "discarding" them (as opposed to getting them
killed) will violate the requirements of Compel the Spirit, which needs a
retainer/ally that "has been burned since your last turn." Since discarded
cards aren't considered in play or anything, the mummies would be stuck in the
ash heap (unless you use Carlotta or Whispers).
Halcyan 2
In article <Pine.SOL.4.21.0003182310130.17032-
100...@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk>,
jr...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 tetragr...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > PLEASE, read the maiusc above first.
>
> I did read that your library was empty - I do not know what "maiusc"
is.
> The mummies still go into your library, to the best of my knowledge -
it
> simply has no cards in it, but still exists (such that a hypothetical
> effect "Move 5 cards from your ash-heap to your library" would work
even
> if your library were empty).
>> That way, Compel the Spirit is still unplayable, as the mummies are
either
> in your library, or in your hand, but not in your ash-heap, unless
you can
> discard them there (which makes a somewhat tenuous combo, requiring a
> player to be playing specific clans, even more tenuous, since you
need a
> discard mechanism in play).
>> If you still think I'm missing something, it would be useful if you
would
> explain your point, rather than just SHOUTING BY USING LOTS OF CAPITAL
> LETTERS.
Sorry about that "maiusc", sometimes my english isn't good.
Anyway, i was reading that if Akhnenaten or Kherebutu are burned
when your library is empty, you put them in your ash heap, because
there's no library at all to shuffle them in.
At the moment i can't find the actual thread about that,
so i hope LSJ can confirm me in this.
No more capital letters, anyway.
Best.
Aemilianus, Prince of Rome.
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tetragr...@my-deja.com wrote:
> jr...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
> > The mummies still go into your library, to the best of my> > knowledge - it simply has no cards in it, but still exists.
>
> [...] i was reading that if Akhnenaten or Kherebutu are burned> when your library is empty, you put them in your ash heap, because
> there's no library at all to shuffle them in.
> At the moment i can't find the actual thread about that,
> so i hope LSJ can confirm me in this.
The empty library exists. Mummies will be returned to it.
[SFC 17-SEP-1996].
This can be deduced by considering the parallel with the ash heap:
What do you do with your first discard, when your ash heap is
empty (i.e., does an empty ash heap exist to receive cards)?
--
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http://www.geocities.com/vtesrep[ quoted text not captured ]
In article <8b586g$924$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> tetragr...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > jr...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
> > > The mummies still go into your library, to the best of my
> > > knowledge - it simply has no cards in it, but still exists.
> >
> > [...] i was reading that if Akhnenaten or Kherebutu are burned
> > when your library is empty, you put them in your ash heap, because
> > there's no library at all to shuffle them in.
> > At the moment i can't find the actual thread about that,
> > so i hope LSJ can confirm me in this.
>
> The empty library exists. Mummies will be returned to it.
> [SFC 17-SEP-1996].
>
> This can be deduced by considering the parallel with the ash heap:
>
> What do you do with your first discard, when your ash heap is
> empty (i.e., does an empty ash heap exist to receive cards)?
Ok, got that (and thanks).
But the text in Akhenaten or Kherebutu says
(if he is burned) "shuffle him in your library".
With an empty library i could not satisfy the Mummy card's text,
since there are no card in the library to "shuffle" the actual Mummy in.
Comments?
Again, thanks for the clarifications.
Aemilianus, Prince of Rome
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:01:59 GMT, tetragr...@my-deja.com wrote:
>Ok, got that (and thanks).
>But the text in Akhenaten or Kherebutu says
>(if he is burned) "shuffle him in your library".
>With an empty library i could not satisfy the Mummy card's text,
>since there are no card in the library to "shuffle" the actual Mummy in.
>Comments?
Of course you could. Put your card in the empty library. Now shuffle
your 1 card, over and over, 'til you gain a reasonably random order.
See? The verb "shuffle" does not require a minimum number of cards -
just that there be a card.
-- Derek
Deafness never kept composers from hearing the music.
It only stopped them hearing the distractions.
tetragr...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> In article <8b586g$924$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> > tetragr...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > jr...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
> > > > The mummies still go into your library, to the best of my
> > > > knowledge - it simply has no cards in it, but still exists.
> > >
> > > [...] i was reading that if Akhnenaten or Kherebutu are burned
> > > when your library is empty, you put them in your ash heap, because
> > > there's no library at all to shuffle them in.
> > > At the moment i can't find the actual thread about that,
> > > so i hope LSJ can confirm me in this.
> >
> > The empty library exists. Mummies will be returned to it.
> > [SFC 17-SEP-1996].
> >
> > This can be deduced by considering the parallel with the ash heap:
> >
> > What do you do with your first discard, when your ash heap is
> > empty (i.e., does an empty ash heap exist to receive cards)?
>> Ok, got that (and thanks).
> But the text in Akhenaten or Kherebutu says
> (if he is burned) "shuffle him in your library".
> With an empty library i could not satisfy the Mummy card's text,
> since there are no card in the library to "shuffle" the actual Mummy in.
You put the Mummy into the library and shuffle.
Shuffling a "deck" of one card is trivial, but doable.
Similarly, shuffling a deck of zero cards (after putting the
last card from your library onto a new embrace, for example)
is not interesting, but still allowed.
--
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LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> You put the Mummy into the library and shuffle.
> Shuffling a "deck" of one card is trivial, but doable.
> Similarly, shuffling a deck of zero cards (after putting the
> last card from your library onto a new embrace, for example)
> is not interesting, but still allowed.
I'll be damned. LSJ made a funny.
That's twice in as many weeks. *grin*
Did someone replace him with Folgers Crystals?
Noal
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In article <38D66751...@white-wolf.com>,
[ quoted text not captured ]> You put the Mummy into the library and shuffle.
> Shuffling a "deck" of one card is trivial, but doable.
Sorry, but by the term alone i think that it should not be doable.
Let me be a stubborn advocate here.
If we are speaking about "shuffling",
the term alone clearly refers to more than
one component to be "shuffled".
I can "shuffle" one piece of "something" only if another piece
of "something" is at hand, at least in my Italian,
maybe in english is different.
If it is not, game logic should not change language logic.
Then, if i want a burned Mummy to be "shuffled" in an empty library,
the actual question is to change the Mummies' text.
instead of:
"If Akhenaten (or Kherebutu) is burned, shuffle him in your library".
i should read:
"If Akhenaten (or Kherebutu) is burned, PUT him in your library
(reshuffle afterwards)"
The difference is small, but i think it would help to take your point.
(that i understand well now).
Thanks again.
Aemilianus, Prince of Rome.
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On 19 Mar 2000, Halcyan 2 wrote:
> Sorry to burst your bubble, but "discarding" them (as opposed to getting them
> killed) will violate the requirements of Compel the Spirit, which needs a
> retainer/ally that "has been burned since your last turn." Since discarded
The point was that if yuo have an empty library, when ou burn the Mummy it
will very quickly end up back in yuor hand. If you could then discard it,
it would a) have been burned and b) be in the ash-heap.
--
James Coupe
tetragr...@my-deja.com wrote:
> LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> > tetragr...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > But the text in Akhenaten or Kherebutu says
> > > (if he is burned) "shuffle him in your library".
> > > With an empty library i could not satisfy the Mummy card's text,
> > > since there are no card in the library to "shuffle" the actual
> > > Mummy in.
> >
> > You put the Mummy into the library and shuffle.
> > Shuffling a "deck" of one card is trivial, but doable.
>> Let me be a stubborn advocate here.
> If we are speaking about "shuffling",
> the term alone clearly refers to more than
> one component to be "shuffled".
No. The one component being shuffled is your library.
"Shuffle your library".
It means to arrange the cards in your library in
a random order - to randomize your library. [DCI 21]
With only one card "randomized" into the existing
zero cards in your library, the random order is
as "random" as pulling a name out of a hat with
only one name in it, but that is the best that
can be achieved under the circumstances.
> I can "shuffle" one piece of "something" only if another piece
> of "something" is at hand, at least in my Italian,
> maybe in english is different.
You can "suffle" ("randomize") a deck of one card. There is
only one outcome of such an event, but it is still shuffled.
> If it is not, game logic should not change language logic.
> Then, if i want a burned Mummy to be "shuffled" in an empty library,
> the actual question is to change the Mummies' text.
> instead of:
>
> "If Akhenaten (or Kherebutu) is burned, shuffle him in your library".
>> it should read:>
> "If Akhenaten (or Kherebutu) is burned, PUT him in your library
> (reshuffle afterwards)"
These are equivalent phrases.
The result is the same.
--
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