Trap Question

GSBS...@UTSPH.SPH.UTH.TMC.EDU (Toreador) writes: >The wording on the trap card could be (and has been) taken to mean that combat >goes a minimum of three rounds, and DURING those three rounds, neither >methuselah could use any new cards from his hand. >The other interpretation is that combat continues for quite some time, and that >it only ends after three rounds where NOONE plays a card (such as if neither had >a useable card)? >Which is right? The second paragraph comes closer, but keep in mind that an automatic press to continue can easily be cancelled by a press to end. >Also, could any methuselah in the game tap his (untapped) Police Department card >to end the battle immediately (i.e. SUPERCEDE the trap card effect)? No. First off, PD doesn't end combat immediately, and second, a player in combat cannot play a press (from PD or otherwise). Elysium, on the other hand, can be used by another player. -- Simeon ---------------------------- simeo...@bbs.fullcoll.edu

Toreador (GSBS...@UTSPH.SPH.UTH.TMC.EDU) wrote: : The wording on the trap card could be (and has been) taken to mean that : combat goes a minimum of three rounds, and DURING those three rounds, : neither methuselah could use any new cards from his hand. : The other interpretation is that combat continues for quite some time, : and that it only ends after three rounds where NOONE plays a card (such as : if neither had a useable card)? : Which is right? Another non-optimally worded card. There are three common interpretations to this card: 1) Combat until 3 consecutive rounds have passed with no cards being played. 2) Combat continues until 3 rounds in total have passed with no cards played. 3) Either 1 or 2, but cards _cannot_ be played. Of these, #1 is the correct answer. 3 consecutive rounds must pass before the effects of the Trap wear off. Cards may be played by either Meth at any time, but this resets the 'counter' àto zero. Also, only one press is provided by the Trap per turn, so either Meth wishing to end it may play a press to escape. If that press is not countered by the other Meth, combat is over and the Trap expires. : How could I Email WW to ask them? See previous answer. : Also, could any methuselah in the game tap his (untapped) Police : Department card to end the battle immediately (i.e. SUPERCEDE the trap : card effect)? No. One cannot play presses on a combat in which one has no minions involved. One could, however, use the power of either Mariel or the Elysium to interfere and end the combat, as neither of those effects involve presses. Shane H.W. Travis | Should we raise a generation of literate Americans, tra...@duke.usask.ca | very little of America as we know it would survive. Saskatoon, Saskatchewan | --Richard Mitchell

James C. Clover (jcl...@netcom.com) wrote: : No. First off, PD doesn't end combat immediately, and second, a player : in combat cannot play a press (from PD or otherwise). I'm sure you meant to say 'not in combat' and just forgot, but just to keep everything clear for the new players... [ quoted text not captured ]

In article g...@tribune.usask.ca, tra...@duke.usask.ca (Shane Travis) writes: [Stuff deleted] > Also, only one press is provided by the Trap per turn, so either Meth > wishing to end it may play a press to escape. If that press is not > countered by the other Meth, combat is over and the Trap expires. > The Meth that played the trap can press to end the trap? Is that an official ruling or just your interpetation Shane? I have always played that the Meth who played the trap could not press to end his own trap but I can see how the ownership of an automatic press would be open to interpretation Would appreciate an repost of the official position and/or other peoples thoughts on the matter. Thanks, Steven

[ quoted text not captured ] Well, Tom and I hammered this one out when I was putting together the Outline, and he and I are of the opinion that automatic Presses (from trap and from the "Frenzy" card) come from the card and not the minion. Some non-optional presses (from Conquer the Beast, for example) are worded so that they *do* come from the minion - so there is a fine distinction between and automatic press and a non-optional press which a minion uses. Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 11:24:01 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas R Wylie <aa...@cats.ucsc.edu> Subject: Re: Jyhad Rules Outline submission. To: "L. Scott Johnson" <sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu> Message-Id: <Pine.3.89.9503041...@am.UCSC.EDU> [Complete Rules Outline says:] > 3. Presses alternate between 'to continue' and 'to end' Combat. > a. The first Press in a round is used to continue Combat. Or to offset an automatic press to continue, such as Trap. -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | These opinions are mine and http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | are subject to card text. Graphics Specialist and Jyhad Rulemonger. |

sba...@cso.geg.mot.com (Steven Bauer) wrote: >In article g...@tribune.usask.ca, tra...@duke.usask.ca (Shane Travis) writes: >> Also, only one press is provided by the Trap per turn, so either Meth >> wishing to end it may play a press to escape. If that press is not >> countered by the other Meth, combat is over and the Trap expires. >> > The Meth that played the trap can press to end the trap? Is that >an official ruling or just your interpetation Shane? I have always played >that the Meth who played the trap could not press to end his own trap but >I can see how the ownership of an automatic press would be open to interpretation Peace Steven, Yes, you can Press to end your own Trap. Once played, the Trap is autonomous. Nil carborundum illigitimi, James R. McClure Jr. The OS/2 Apostle <insert disclaimer here>

In article <1995Sep20.0...@schbbs.mot.com> sba...@cso.geg.mot.com writes: >In article g...@tribune.usask.ca, tra...@duke.usask.ca (Shane Travis) writes: > [Stuff deleted] > >> Also, only one press is provided by the Trap per turn, so either Meth >> wishing to end it may play a press to escape. If that press is not >> countered by the other Meth, combat is over and the Trap expires. >> > The Meth that played the trap can press to end the trap? Is that >an official ruling or just your interpetation Shane? I have always played >that the Meth who played the trap could not press to end his own trap but >I can see how the ownership of an automatic press would be open to interpretation I think it's okay. Refer to L. Scott Johnson's reply for official interpretation. As a side note, the strict rules concerning playing presses is of course to prevent players from burning unwanted cards that jam their hand. I don't think preventing a player from pressing to end his own trap would serve this purpose in a meaningful way, so you don't have to feel too annoyed by the official ruling. -- "Live Life with Heart." Alan Kwan kw...@cs.cornell.edu