What is the best Auspex card?

http://members.cox.net/kjm1971/bestauspexcard.htm What do you think is the best Auspex card? One vote per person, please. Yes, I can track such things. ;) Enjoy. Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! http://vtesville.myminicity.com/

[ quoted text not captured ] Eagle' Sight for sure, it needs certain skills, but if you're good, it is one of the strongest cards in the game. By the way: I hate it.

On Apr 1, 5:24 am, locat...@hotmail.de wrote: > On ápr. 1, 10:26, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote: > > >http://members.cox.net/kjm1971/bestauspexcard.htm > > What do you think is the best Auspex card? > > > One vote per person, please. Yes, I can track such things. ;) Enjoy. > > Eagle' Sight for sure, it needs certain skills, but if you're good, it > is one of the strongest cards in the game. By the way: I hate it. > I hate wall decks. Not that I don't occasionally play one, but always with some sort of twist, and never fucking Tzimisce. So, the best Auspex card is Crocodile Tongue.

On Apr 1, 4:26 am, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote: > http://members.cox.net/kjm1971/bestauspexcard.htm > What do you think is the best Auspex card? > > One vote per person, please. Yes, I can track such things. ;) Enjoy. I'm voting for Telepathic Misdirection. I don't think that anyone could realistically claim that it *isn't* the best Auspex card. Bounce and flexibility of intercept? Super, duper strong. I'm not a big block/ wall deck kinda player, which certainly may cloud my view, but I use more Telepathic Misdirections in more decks than any other Auspex card ever. Often in decks that have no other Auspex card in them. Bleed bounce is just that good. -Peter

I hate auspex wall decks, but this doesn't change the fact that eagles sight is the strongest card. But if it comes to the question what my favourite auspex card is, then it is: Revelation

Kevin M. wrote: > http://members.cox.net/kjm1971/bestauspexcard.htm > What do you think is the best Auspex card? > > One vote per person, please. Yes, I can track such things. ;) Enjoy. > > Toss up for me between Eagle's Sight and Tele Misdirection. Opted for Eagle's Sight at the end. (Or at least thought I did, my votes seems to have hung my browser...) For 2 reasons: 1st, it's free compared to TM; second, being able to be involved all around the table is strong. But it was very close. best - chris

[ quoted text not captured ] Oh I like the laibon card Ancestor's Insight. Reduce 1 or +1 bleed that's just swell!

On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:26:42 -0700, Kevin M. <you...@imaspammer.org> wrote: > http://members.cox.net/kjm1971/bestauspexcard.htm > What do you think is the best Auspex card? > > One vote per person, please. Yes, I can track such things. ;) Enjoy. I'm voting the Eyes of Argus for the sheer efficiency of the card. Another +2 intercept card that can be used together with Enhanced Senses (unlike how Into Thin Air is restricted from being used together with the other +2 stealth card, Lost in Crowds) that is free (unlike Forgotten Labyrinth) and quite easy to cycle (and makes it hard for the opponent to selectively exhaust intercept or wake-type cards). -- Regards, Daneel

On Apr 1, 4:26 am, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote: > http://members.cox.net/kjm1971/bestauspexcard.htm > What do you think is the best Auspex card? It depends entirely on the deck in question. Telepathic Misdirection is definitely the one that I've used the most, so it probably fits some definitions of "best." John Eno

[ quoted text not captured ] IAWTP. I see several people mentioning Eagle, but I thought about all the decks I've made, and only Telepathic Misdirection has gone into every one that has a large amount of crypt AUS (unless they also had dom/DOM). Eagle's Sight is probably the best card in an AUSpex deck, but I can't agree that it's the best auspex card. In a deck that either doesn't want to block, or doesn't want to fight, Eagle loses a lot of it's lustre. I don't have any KoT yet, so I can't say for sure whether Eyes of Argus will be heavily utilised. It likely will be, but I doubt it'll exceed the TM's. Morgan Vening

Morgan Vening wrote: > On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 06:12:27 -0700 (PDT), Peter D Bakija > <pd...@lightlink.com> wrote: > >> On Apr 1, 4:26 am, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote: >>> http://members.cox.net/kjm1971/bestauspexcard.htm >>> What do you think is the best Auspex card? >>> >>> One vote per person, please. Yes, I can track such things. ;) Enjoy. >> I'm voting for Telepathic Misdirection. I don't think that anyone >> could realistically claim that it *isn't* the best Auspex card. Bounce >> and flexibility of intercept? Super, duper strong. I'm not a big block/ >> wall deck kinda player, which certainly may cloud my view, but I use >> more Telepathic Misdirections in more decks than any other Auspex card >> ever. Often in decks that have no other Auspex card in them. >> >> Bleed bounce is just that good. >> >> -Peter > > IAWTP. I answer with two points? I am wanting to puke? I am with the Peter? In all ways test patience? It's April. Where's the Pazzo?

On Apr 1, 2:44 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > Morgan Vening wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 06:12:27 -0700 (PDT), Peter D Bakija > > <p...@lightlink.com> wrote: > > >> On Apr 1, 4:26 am, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote: > >>>http://members.cox.net/kjm1971/bestauspexcard.htm > >>> What do you think is the best Auspex card? > > >>> One vote per person, please. Yes, I can track such things. ;) Enjoy. > >> I'm voting for Telepathic Misdirection. I don't think that anyone > >> could realistically claim that it *isn't* the best Auspex card. Bounce > >> and flexibility of intercept? Super, duper strong. I'm not a big block/ > >> wall deck kinda player, which certainly may cloud my view, but I use > >> more Telepathic Misdirections in more decks than any other Auspex card > >> ever. Often in decks that have no other Auspex card in them. > > >> Bleed bounce is just that good. > > >> -Peter > > > IAWTP. > IANAMV, but I guess it's this one: > > I am with the Peter? or possibly "I agree with this point" And, though I voted for Crocodile's Tongue, because it's the best (IMHO) *proactive* Auspex card, I'm thinking that I probably should have voted for Eyes of Argus, or *maybe* Telepathic Misdirection. TM is good, but at superior AUS, 1 blood, and tap, it definitely has its costs... Eyes of Argus is just sick.

On Apr 1, 8:44 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > IAWTP. > > I answer with two points? > I am wanting to puke? > I am with the Peter? > In all ways test patience? > It's April. Where's the Pazzo? I agree with this post?

On Apr 1, 3:44 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > I answer with two points? > I am wanting to puke? > I am with the Peter? > In all ways test patience? > It's April. Where's the Pazzo? It's like poetry... -Peter

On Apr 1, 3:36 pm, Morgan Vening <mor...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > IAWTP. I see several people mentioning Eagle, but I thought about all > the decks I've made, and only Telepathic Misdirection has gone into > every one that has a large amount of crypt AUS (unless they also had > dom/DOM). Eagle's Sight is probably the best card in an AUSpex deck, > but I can't agree that it's the best auspex card. In a deck that > either doesn't want to block, or doesn't want to fight, Eagle loses a > lot of it's lustre. Yeah, Eagle's Sight is certainly a strong card, except by itself, it rarely has much impact (as being able to block cross table without other intercept isn't often that hot), and a lot of time, I find having the Eagle's Sight just gets you in more trouble than it is worth. Again, it is certainly a solid, strong card. But generally needs a deck built around it (which is likely an intercept heavy deck, as otherwise, the Eagle's Sight isn't helping that much, and I'm not a big fan of intercept heavy decks, but again, me). Telepathic Misdirection, however, is always going to be good to have (assuming reliable AUS), even in the Eagle's Sight deck. -Peter

[ quoted text not captured ] The most overlooked Auspex card is Blessed Audience.

On Apr 1, 2:34 pm, Daneel <dan...@eposta.hu> wrote: > I'm voting the Eyes of Argus for the sheer efficiency of the card. Another > +2 intercept card that can be used together with Enhanced Senses (unlike > how Into Thin Air is restricted from being used together with the other > +2 stealth card, Lost in Crowds) that is free (unlike Forgotten Labyrinth) > and quite easy to cycle (and makes it hard for the opponent to selectively > exhaust intercept or wake-type cards). I think Eyes of Argus is certainly one of the strongest (if not *the* strongest) Auspex cards to be printed in the last few (many?) years. But the inability to use the intercept on non D actions (or whatever the disadvantage is--something like that) makes it not super great all the time like, say, Telepathic Misdirection. But if you have an all AUS crypt? No need to use any other wake type effect. Which makes me feel dumb, as I just started a JOL game with an all AUS crypt, and didn't replace all of my wake cards with Eyes of Argus... -Peter

On Apr 1, 4:26 am, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote: > http://members.cox.net/kjm1971/bestauspexcard.htm > What do you think is the best Auspex card? This may be just me, but I keep finding it difficult to view the results page on whatever site you are using for this poll--it timed out and failed to open on my windowz computer at work, and is doing the same thing on my mac at home. Again, might be just me. -Peter

[ quoted text not captured ] The site seems to be unavailable. :P [ quoted text not captured ]

> I hate wall decks. Not that I don't occasionally play one, but always > with some sort of twist, and never fucking Tzimisce. You're my new best friend. Not sure that's good for you though. Do you like zombie movies ? Orpheus

> And, though I voted for Crocodile's Tongue, because it's the best > (IMHO) *proactive* Auspex card, I'm thinking that I probably should > have voted for Eyes of Argus, or *maybe* Telepathic Misdirection. TM > is good, but at superior AUS, 1 blood, and tap, it definitely has its > costs... Eyes of Argus is just sick. It certainly looks sick. But when you use it you realize its limitations : - the intercept part is useless on non-directions actions (luckily) - the "wake" part requires a superior discipline, isn't playable by allies, and is the only such card that can be cancelled by action modifiers (Obf and Chi), which will seldom happen but can be devastating. Not to mention that if you wake with one, you won't be able to play a second one for intercept, but of course you couldn't intercept with a Wake either lol. Still, it is very strong. The novelty of it would tempt me to vote for it. But Telepathic Misdi is still the strongest IMO too. I agree that Blessed Audience is the most underestimated though. Just ask unblocable Alexandra... Orpheus

On Wed, 1 Apr 2009, LSJ wrote: >> IAWTP. > > I answer with two points? > I am wanting to puke? > I am with the Peter? > In all ways test patience? > It's April. Where's the Pazzo? It's almost worth the pain.

Peter D Bakija <pd...@lightlink.com> wrote: >I'm voting for Telepathic Misdirection. I don't think that anyone >could realistically claim that it *isn't* the best Auspex card. Bounce >and flexibility of intercept? Super, duper strong. I'm not a big block/ >wall deck kinda player, which certainly may cloud my view, but I use >more Telepathic Misdirections in more decks than any other Auspex card >ever. Often in decks that have no other Auspex card in them. > >Bleed bounce is just that good. I wonder - and this isn't a leading question, as I'm not sure of my own answer - if there's a different answer to two questions. 1) What's the best Auspex card in a deck where Auspex isn't the focus (but most vampires have enough of it to do something)? Say, Toreador Presence bleed or something like AAA, which isn't using all that much Auspex most of the time, but could be persuaded to add some. 2) What's the best Auspex card in a deck where Auspex is very much the focus? And probably wall-ish. I think for non-focus, you make a compelling argument for Telepathic Misdirection. For an Auspex-heavy wall, I wonder if it's still the best Auspex card in the deck. Eagle Sight is pretty good in focus/walled, much less good in unfocused decks. Eyes of Argus is (I think) reasonable in unfocused decks - though you miss quite a few key undirected actions, obviously - but really very good in focused/wall decks. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

Telepathic Misdirection for my money. And it'll only start looking better once people get enough copies of Touch of Clarity to run a full contingent in their decks (why, oh why was this card made a rare...) Eyes of Argus is still super-flash however.

On Apr 1, 11:14 pm, "Orpheus" <orpheus.TAKEOU...@free.fr> wrote: > > And, though I voted for Crocodile's Tongue, because it's the best > > (IMHO) *proactive* Auspex card, I'm thinking that I probably should > > have voted for Eyes of Argus, or *maybe* Telepathic Misdirection. TM > > is good, but at superior AUS, 1 blood, and tap, it definitely has its > > costs... Eyes of Argus is just sick. > > It certainly looks sick. But when you use it you realize its limitations : > > - the intercept part is useless on non-directions actions (luckily) > - the "wake" part requires a superior discipline, isn't playable by allies, > and is the only such card that can be cancelled by action modifiers (Obf and > Chi), which will seldom happen but can be devastating. > > Not to mention that if you wake with one, you won't be able to play a second > one for intercept, but of course you couldn't intercept with a Wake either Remember that wake/forced/otqv allows you to attempt to block again on the same action if FoM/Torrent/Ambulance is played. And also allows the playing of Deflection/TM afetr the continued bleed goes through...... [ quoted text not captured ]

On Apr 1, 3:26 am, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote: > http://members.cox.net/kjm1971/bestauspexcard.htm > What do you think is the best Auspex card? > Force of Will draft text. I would totally play this card outside of draft if I could. Later, ~Rehlow

Anima Gathering ...cause it makes any aus wenni into some thing other then a wall.

Kevin M. wrote: > http://members.cox.net/kjm1971/bestauspexcard.htm > What do you think is the best Auspex card? Well, they fixed their webpage and you can now view the results of the poll. http://www.snappoll.com/view_results.php?poll_id=320999 I'm not suprised that the poll was such a runaway, but I *am* suprised at what came in 2nd and 3rd. --kevin

On 1 avr, 10:26, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote: > http://members.cox.net/kjm1971/bestauspexcard.htm > What do you think is the best Auspex card? like some other players in the thread, i would say telepathic misdirection. versatility is good. not being useless in a 2 player endgame is nice too. i would put my enemy's enemy in second place, since it is better when the game is reduced between three methuselah, plus it's free intercept.