rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

Libary Size & Card Questions

3 messages from 3 participants · 21 April 1999 – 22 April 1999
original thread on Google Groups

Lupus Australis

On 22 Apr 1999, Halcyan 2 wrote: > I'm kind of new at this board (first post, though I've been observing > for a few weeks), but I have a quick question or two. > > First of all, how strictly is library minimums and maximums enforced? In casual play? Almost never, because it almost never matters. Rare is the game where a player uses up more than his maximum number of cards, so rare is the game where this rule would have mattered. One can often invoke the rule after the fact. If your prey has played 70 cards in a 3 player game, you could insist that he would have run out of cards by now had his deck been legal, and agree that he may draw no more. But it is extremely unlikely that this will happen. More often, the player with the oversized deck suffers from not being able to draw the cards he wants due to inadequate focus. > If I recall correctly, deck size must be between 40 and 40 + 10 X, where X is > the number of players per game, and the domain restrictions are inclusive. > From what I've seen about people posting decks, they often seem to focus on > numbers such as 90. Do you then have to rearrange everything when you play a > game with 2-4 players or do most people not mind? Most decks that people post here are designed to be "tournament legal", meaning that the library must contain between 60 and 90 cards, as per the Official DCI Tournament rules. A 40-card deck is not "tournament legal" despite being rulebook-legal. In DCI Tournaments all games have either 4 or 5 players. Even when the tournament game has 4 players, one may still use one's 90-card deck, even though it is 10 cards over the rulebook maximum. In my experience, a "tournament legal" deck of 90 cards is always considered fair for casual play, regardless of the actual number of players (which can rarely be foretold in advance). If a deck's size appears to reach levels where shuffling time becomes excessive, only then are players politely reminded that they should try to keep their decks within legal limits. > I also have some inquiries concerning some specific cards. Is > Blood to Water considered a strike? The card doesn't have anything > about a strike on it, so is just like an extra 3 or 5 blood loss? > Wasn't there also some errata about it (I think it had something to do > with when it was played)? It is usable at close range only after range has been determined. It is not a strike. > Also, with cards such as Charnas the Imp, who > is the Methusaleh controlling it at any given time? Does the Methusaleh > who first "casts" (sorry, I used to play Magic) it always control it? Is > the controller whoever owns the minion that's equipped with Charnas, or > what? The Methuselah who controls the minion with the retainer also controls the retainer, even in Charnas's case. > Either way, would it be possible to have multiple Charnas (or use > some Necro to recycle some) and everytime your opponent gives it to one > of your vampires, to simply contest your own card and yield the bad one? > Thanks! I believe one can yield contested cards only during your untap phase so this would not work. The target of the new Charnas would get to yield before you do. Lupus Australis ____ ____ \ \----/ / |()__()| __\ __ /__ / __\()/__ \ |/ \==/ \| | || |

Halcyan 2

I'm kind of new at this board (first post, though I've been observing for a few weeks), but I have a quick question or two. First of all, how strictly is library minimums and maximums enforced? If I recall correctly, deck size must be between 40 and 40 + 10 X, where X is the number of players per game, and the domain restrictions are inclusive. From what I've seen about people posting decks, they often seem to focus on numbers such as 90. Do you then have to rearrange everything when you play a game with 2-4 players or do most people not mind? I also have some inquiries concerning some specific cards. Is Blood to Water considered a strike? The card doesn't have anything about a strike on it, so is just like an extra 3 or 5 blood loss? Wasn't there also some errata about it (I think it had something to do with when it was played)? Also, with cards such as Charnas the Imp, who is the Methusaleh controlling it at any given time? Does the Methusaleh who first "casts" (sorry, I used to play Magic) it always control it? Is the controller whoever owns the minion that's equipped with Charnas, or what? Either way, would it be possible to have multiple Charnas (or use some Necro to recycle some) and everytime your opponent gives it to one of your vampires, to simply contest your own card and yield the bad one? Thanks! Halcyan 2

LSJ

Lupus Australis <jbwh...@dorsai.org> wrote: > On 22 Apr 1999, Halcyan 2 wrote: > > I also have some inquiries concerning some specific cards. Is > > Blood to Water considered a strike? The card doesn't have anything > > about a strike on it, so is just like an extra 3 or 5 blood loss? > > Wasn't there also some errata about it (I think it had something to do > > with when it was played)? > > It is usable at close range only after range has been determined. It is > not a strike. Correct. > > Also, with cards such as Charnas the Imp, who > > is the Methusaleh controlling it at any given time? Does the Methusaleh > > who first "casts" (sorry, I used to play Magic) it always control it? Is > > the controller whoever owns the minion that's equipped with Charnas, or > > what? > > The Methuselah who controls the minion with the retainer also controls > the retainer, even in Charnas's case. Correct. Minion cards (as opposed to Master cards) are controlled by the controller of the minion they are on, by default. > > Either way, would it be possible to have multiple Charnas (or use > > some Necro to recycle some) and everytime your opponent gives it to one > > of your vampires, to simply contest your own card and yield the bad one? > > Thanks! > > I believe one can yield contested cards only during your untap phase so > this would not work. The target of the new Charnas would get to yield > before you do. Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/VTES_Rules.html -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own