In article <4hk6rs$cpg...@leeds.ac.uk>, ECO...@leeds.ac.uk (J.S.
Simmons esq.) wrote:
> I was just wondering about the 7 basic clan hosers in
> Jyhad. Which do you think are the most and least powerful.
> In my opinion Malky Dementia can be the most
> devastating if used properly wheras Gangrel de-evolution is
> not really that pwerful. Just my two cents. What do you guys
> think.
I would say that the Nosferatu hoser is easily the worst. Nossies can
still potence strike for damage, they just do less. The Gangrel card
_completely_ eliminates the Gangrel's ability to bleed.
Definately, the Malkavian Dementia is the most powerful. Games can be
stood on end by them.
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In article <Pine.NXT.3.91.960307170257.1562A-100000@pentode>,
The Corrupter <sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu> wrote:
>In article <4hk6rs$cpg...@leeds.ac.uk>, ECO...@leeds.ac.uk (J.S.
>Simmons esq.) wrote:>> I was just wondering about the 7 basic clan hosers in
>> Jyhad. Which do you think are the most and least powerful.
>> In my opinion Malky Dementia can be the most
>> devastating if used properly wheras Gangrel de-evolution is
>> not really that pwerful. Just my two cents. What do you guys
>> think.>
>I would say that the Nosferatu hoser is easily the worst. Nossies can
>still potence strike for damage, they just do less. The Gangrel card
>_completely_ eliminates the Gangrel's ability to bleed.
Gangrel can still bleed with Laptop, Computer Hacking, and Force of Will.
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-> I was just wondering about the 7 basic clan hosers in
-> Jyhad. Which do you think are the most and least powerful.
Malk Dementia; great. 'Malkavian Abuse' has become an art form in my
playgroup. Once, I actually managed to grab my pred's Malk, diablerize
my prey's Democritus (!), and then call a successful bloodhunt! If you
have Anson, Minion Tap the stolen vamp dry.
Malk Derangement; cute, but I'll stick to dementia.
Gangrel Deevolution/Atavism; well, you can stop one from bleeding, but
he'll just be a blocker and let the others bleed.
Cultivated Blood Shortage; this one could be annoying. If you have good
intercept, it could be fatal to an all-Ventrue deck.
Triole's Revenge; not too great, can be blocked, burned, or just slap a
Blood Doll on him and drain the excess blood.
Brujah Frenzy; very good. Make your predator fight your prey. Or, make
a deal with someone else, giving him an unblockable Bum's Rush.
Judgement; Death to Brujah!; ehem... usually the _last_ thing a person
wants is to fight the Brujah. A Gangrel aggro deck might stand a chance
in a fight (no chance to use additional strikes) but other than that
this is trash.
Nosferatu Putrescence; most Nossies pack guns.
Whispers of the Nicotine; annoying, but easily burnt.
Letter from Vienna; most everyone packs wakey-wakey, although this could
allow a swarm-bleed deck to kill an all-Tremere deck.
Tragic Love Affair; moderately annoying.
In article <8BC5408.00CA...@swcbbs.com>,
tony.r...@swcbbs.com (TONY RICARDI) wrote:
>-> I was just wondering about the 7 basic clan hosers
in
>-> Jyhad. Which do you think are the most and least
powerful.
>
>Malk Dementia; great. 'Malkavian Abuse' has become an
art form in my
>playgroup. Once, I actually managed to grab my pred's
Malk, diablerize
>my prey's Democritus (!), and then call a successful
bloodhunt! If you
>have Anson, Minion Tap the stolen vamp dry.
Or Golconda Leandro/other large Malk.
>Malk Derangement; cute, but I'll stick to dementia.
Hmmmm, haven't seen this one... any good??
>Gangrel Deevolution/Atavism; well, you can stop one
from bleeding, but
>he'll just be a blocker and let the others bleed.
Mainly annoying, but essential for a deck that uses
stanislava!
>Cultivated Blood Shortage; this one could be annoying.
If you have good
>intercept, it could be fatal to an all-Ventrue deck.
VERY ANNOYING (thus speaks a Ventrue player)
>Triole's Revenge; not too great, can be blocked,
burned, or just slap a
>Blood Doll on him and drain the excess blood.
Is especially good if it comes through at a good time,
and works well if you have the the Inbase diskotek out
so that when they hunt you can give them 2 blood a turn!
>Brujah Frenzy; very good. Make your predator fight
your prey. Or, make
>a deal with someone else, giving him an unblockable
Bum's Rush.
Deffinately a smart card; it also allows you to
swipe/smash thier guns!
>Judgement; Death to Brujah!; ehem... usually the _last_
thing a person
>wants is to fight the Brujah. A Gangrel aggro deck
might stand a chance
>in a fight (no chance to use additional strikes) but
other than that
>this is trash.
This is not only Trash - its about as good as a werewolf
pack with Hemeroids!
>Nosferatu Putrescence; most Nossies pack guns.
Not much in our game. Nossies' combat skill is Potence,
so reducing hand damage can screw them up pretty badly.
>Whispers of the Nicotine; annoying, but easily burnt.
Works well with Leadro out!
>Letter from Vienna; most everyone packs wakey-wakey,
although this could
>allow a swarm-bleed deck to kill an all-Tremere deck.
Good under CL, with only 4 wakes in your deck!
>Tragic Love Affair; moderately annoying.
Means that you have to bleed to get the edge, so your
prey gets a bit of a pounding, and your predator gets
the chance to take you out if you've ended up all tapped
out!
What about the Ravnos Giovanni Hosers?
Giovanni Discrimination: can be pretty useful, paying a
blood to block means that you are effectively doing an
extra damage for free.
Cammarilla segregation: a nice way to screw up a ravnos
or giovanni deck, it should be one of the better ones if
you can sudden reversal all their hunting grounds and
blood dolls so that they end up stuck for bloodback.
is there a clan specific Ravnos hoser???
Ben
CLA...@leeds.ac.uk (Super Ted) writes:
>>Gangrel can still bleed with Laptop, Computer Hacking, and Force of Will.>Yes, but you need the card. Also Gangrel de-evolution takes a vampire out
>of the attack and can thus really screw up a deck, bleeding being the
>principal method of taking out your prey. You can still bleed using the
>mentioned cards, but this is really no consolation as for the laptop you
>have to take an action and pay a pool to regain a bleed of one! The other
>two aren't permanent and can therefore be only used once, Force of Will also
>sending you to Torpor.>I play a straight Gangrel deck and I can say that one such card
>seriously inconveniences me, a second screws me up.
[...]
>Nosferatu [Putresence] isn't really that great because of the
>potence - it's very annoying though.
Potence won't help Nos (unless they use some strike cards - but you seem
to be of the opinion that such "one use" cards don't qualify as a
solution; similar argument for weapons).
If you're depending on your gangrel to bleed, you'd better have a
strategy for that. If you don't feel like putting the necessary
bleed enhancers in the deck, try putting in a few Sudden Reversals.
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In article 0...@leeds.ac.uk, CLA...@leeds.ac.uk (Super Ted) writes:
> >Gangrel can still bleed with Laptop, Computer Hacking, and Force of Will.
>
> Yes, but you need the card. Also Gangrel de-evolution takes a vampire out
> of the attack and can thus really screw up a deck, bleeding being the
> principal method of taking out your prey. You can still bleed using the
> mentioned cards, but this is really no consolation as for the laptop you
> have to take an action and pay a pool to regain a bleed of one! The other
> two aren't permanent and can therefore be only used once, Force of Will also
> sending you to Torpor.
>
> I play a straight Gangrel deck and I can say that one such card
> seriously inconveniences me, a second screws me up.
>
I find this attitude suprising. It has been my experience that Gangrel Deevolution
is the most useless of all the clan hosers. Because (a) as long as I am doing any
other actions that round or leaving any of my vamps untapped that round then not
being able to bleed is not a disadvantage. (b) most gangrel decks I have seen don't
do alot of bleeding anyway and (c) the card is totally useless in your deck unless
you know your going to have a gangrel pred, something I never know in advanced.
I have always thought Malkavian Dementia and then Brujah frenzy are the most powerful
because they can be usefull to you even if you don't have the particular clan as
pred or prey. I have alway felt that letter from vienna(only helps if tremere are your
prey) and gangrel deevolution(only helps if gangrel is your pred and plans to bleed
you with a significant portion of his minions) are the most useless.
Just my .02
--Steve
(of course if you only play gangrels then gangrel deevolution is the most
power/only clan hoser)
GEN...@leeds.ac.uk (B.D. Redmond) wrote:
...
: >Judgement; Death to Brujah!; ehem... usually the _last_ thing a person: >wants is to fight the Brujah. A Gangrel aggro deck might stand a chance
: >in a fight (no chance to use additional strikes) but other than that
: >this is trash.
:
: This is not only Trash - its about as good as a werewolf pack with
: Hemeroids!
Marginally useful as a Black Cat Gang Bang. Otherwise worthless.
--Eric
In article <1996Mar15.1...@schbbs.mot.com>,
[ quoted text not captured ]
Well this guy does play with just gangrel(I am in his gaming group)and has a
damn fine deck,if a little boring.Everyone therefore puts two or three
de-evolutions in their deck simply because if he can't bleed he can't win.At
least one gets played by his non-prey,just to ensure that if he gets around
to them he can't bleed heavily.Also his grand predator may play one on him to
make sure he leaves more in defence to hassle his grandpredators
prey!Basically the quickest way to finish his deck is to use these 'useless'
cards!
Mik