Ex Nihilos questions

This card makes you immune to damage. Can I still do damage to the vamp? Can I use rupturs hand, and will the agg damage go away? Does that mean that I can apply the damage from talbots Chainsaw to this vamp and nothing will happen? It also makes all damage done by the vamp to 0. However does this also apply to retainers. Does my Wolf campanion do damage even though I don't.

In article <3_RV6.412$p7.8...@newsrump.sjc.telocity.net>, Walter Denny <wde...@telocity.com> wrote: >This card makes you immune to damage. Non-aggravated damage. It may prove salutary to peruse one of the many posts of the complete card text of the card in question. >Can I still do damage to the vamp? The rules currently preclude you from arbitrarily inflicting damage to a minion you control absent some germane card effect. Card effects that damage the vampire may be used, yes. If the damage is not aggravated, however, it will be ignored. >Can I use rupturs hand, and will the agg damage go away? Yes, you can. The aggravated damage will affect the Nihilistic vampire as usual, since Ex Nihilo doesn't have anything to say about aggravated damage. While the official card name is 'Rutor's Hand,' there is something rather charming about 'Rupture's Hand,' if that is what you intended to write. >Does that mean that I can apply the damage from talbots Chainsaw to this >vamp and nothing will happen? That is precisely correct, if you mean the damage will be ignored. Other, non-nothing things will continue to happen, however. >It also makes all damage done by the vamp to 0. However does this also >apply to retainers. Does my Wolf campanion do damage even though I don't. From the White Wolf rulings site, available at http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulings.html: Damage is only considered to have come from a minion if the damage is from a strike or if an effect specifically states that the damage is dealt by the minion. Damage from other effects is considered "environmental," and has no particular source. [RTR 19970630] Wolf Companions, Zombies, Murders of Crows, Ghoul Retainers, Weather Control, and Carrion Crows all inflict damage as normal. Strikes from the Nihilistic vampire (including superior Stutter-Step and Catatonic Fear, as well as Riposte, since these cards use the word 'inflict') do no damage. Useful strikes under such conditions include Flesh and Bonecraft (no damage, but side-effects apply), Weakness (note that the vampire takes 1 damage at superior, since the passive 'takes one damage' is used, indicating an environmental effect), Entombment, Coma, steal/destroy equipment (note that superior Fractured Armament still inflicts damage), and steal blood. I trust you will find this information useful. gomi -- Yes, I believe but I'd rather not pray What I believe in I'd rather not say, baby

[ quoted text not captured ] Correct on all counts. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

>>This card makes you immune to damage. > >Non-aggravated damage. It may prove salutary to peruse one of the many >posts of the complete card text of the card in question. How about Ex Nihilo combined with a Heart of Darkness then? =) Halcyan 2

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3B280B07...@white-wolf.com>... > Gomi no Sensei wrote: > > From the White Wolf rulings site, available at > > http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulings.html: > > > > Damage is only considered to have come from a minion if the damage is from a > > strike or if an effect specifically states that the damage is dealt by the > > minion. Damage from other effects is considered "environmental," and has no > > particular source. > > > > [RTR 19970630] > > Useful strikes under such conditions <snip>[:] > > Weakness (note that the vampire takes 1 damage at > > superior, since the passive 'takes one damage' is used, indicating an > > environmental effect), it does? but, it's damage. it's from a strike. it falls into the first half of the "comes from a minion" ruling, being "if the damage is from a strike" and thus we don't need to go to the next part after the "or" to check to see if it specifically comes from the minion. > > that superior Fractured Armament still inflicts damage), and steal blood. sup fractured armament would be the same as my argument above, i beleive. and, it is effected by Increased Strength, so it's looking awfully like it is damage from the minion.... > > I trust you will find this information useful. > > Correct on all counts. you lie! or, maybe not....but i wouldn't mind debating it.... how exactly is the opposing minion taking damage from a strike that "this" minion played, yet "this" minion is not considered to have delivered the damage? thanks...my head hurts....and while we're at it does sup Oubilette do it's burn blood/life thing if the combat that just ended was at long range? it's not damage like Cat fear or riposte so i wasn't sure.... salem.

[ quoted text not captured ] Oops. Correct Salem. I was only reading Gomi's explanations, not his examples. Strike-dealt damage does indeed come from the minion. Thanks for setting me straight. > thanks...my head hurts....and while we're at it does sup Oubilette do > it's burn blood/life thing if the combat that just ended was at long > range? it's not damage like Cat fear or riposte so i wasn't sure.... Yes. [ quoted text not captured ]