Use of Caiaphas Smith?

Anyone have a good use for the ally Caiaphas Smith? I guess you could Bum's Rush with him every turn... Caiaphas Smith, Ally, 1 pool, F , [tenth1, tenth2] Unique mortal with 2 life. 1 strength, 0 bleed. Caiaphas may strike for 1R damage. Caiaphas gets an optional maneuver each combat. Any vampire blocking Caiaphas is burned after the combat (if any). Caiaphas cannot bleed. If he is untapped at the start of your turn, your predator takes control of him. best - chris -- Super Fun Cards www.superfuncards.com *NEW Website!* auct...@superfuncards.com

On Apr 25, 12:39 am, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > Anyone have a good use for the ally Caiaphas Smith? I guess you could > Bum's Rush with him every turn... > > Caiaphas Smith, Ally, 1 pool, F , [tenth1, tenth2] > Unique mortal with 2 life. 1 strength, 0 bleed. Caiaphas may strike for > 1R damage. Caiaphas gets an optional maneuver each combat. Any vampire > blocking Caiaphas is burned after the combat (if any). Caiaphas cannot > bleed. If he is untapped at the start of your turn, your predator takes > control of him. for 1 pool and an action, you'd like to get more. mr smith isn't a bleeder, and he has a puzzling drawback. as you say, rushing every turn with concealed smoke grenades (for example) might be cool, but when do you get to do that? you recruit him, he doesn't act. your predator probably would rather inherit him than let you keep him, so pred tries not to get blocked by smith. you pass him to your pred, and they do too, until someone figures out how to tap/keep him. maybe no one ever does, and you're out a pool and an action. so you plan ahead, and only recruit him when you're ready to jar his soul, steal his mind or lay his bricks, (etc.) then he can be a weak- azz rush ally. maybe with a camera phone. i say "a lot of effort." so what has he got that's worth it...? perhaps his "drawback" is his draw. for a similar cost to uriah winter, and no "group" number, he moves around the table. with the 14 zip guns you raved or heidelberged onto him. and when he's sitting where you want the "bomb" to go off, you call a Can't Take It With You or two. well, it's late, and this is what passes for thought from me at this hour. night. john > > best - > > chris > -- > Super Fun Cardswww.superfuncards.com*NEW Website!* > aucti...@superfuncards.com

On 25 huhti, 07:39, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > Anyone have a good use for the ally Caiaphas Smith? Red Listing and burning him with one of the various ally-burning actions seems like the obvious answer. Lady Constancia could use that combo for obscene power bleeding with Trophy: Revered and No Questions/ Clan Respect. Use her special to repeat the combo and pump more Trophies out of the deck if necessary.

librarian <auct...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > Anyone have a good use for the ally Caiaphas Smith? I guess you could > Bum's Rush with him every turn... > Caiaphas Smith, Ally, 1 pool, F , [tenth1, tenth2] > Unique mortal with 2 life. 1 strength, 0 bleed. Caiaphas may strike for > 1R damage. Caiaphas gets an optional maneuver each combat. Any vampire > blocking Caiaphas is burned after the combat (if any). Caiaphas cannot > bleed. If he is untapped at the start of your turn, your predator takes > control of him. First of all, if *you* actually want to use him, you need a way to make sure you keep him. One way to do this is to recruit him via a Madness Network action, and make sure to block something before your turn. After you've had him for one turn, it's easier to hold on to him. But is it worth it? You could rush with him, and give him nasty weapons, as you said. Give him a Starshell Grenade Launcher; then you've got a pretty easy way to tap him even if he doesn't act or block. In a Path-heavy metagame, he's your burning man. Maybe Putrescently Servitude him and find something to do with Potence. Or use him with Imbued and Donate (for intercept or strength, anyway). (And of course there's always the "pass him upstream, Red List him and collect your trophies" idea, but it sounds like you're not interested in that) Just some ideas...

> Anyone have a good use for the ally Caiaphas Smith? Caiaphas Smith, Ally, > 1 pool, F , [tenth1, tenth2] > Unique mortal with 2 life. 1 strength, 0 bleed. Caiaphas may strike for 1R > damage. Caiaphas gets an optional maneuver each combat. Any vampire > blocking Caiaphas is burned after the combat (if any). Caiaphas cannot > bleed. If he is untapped at the start of your turn, your predator takes > control of him. A better question is how can you keep him? Because he can't act the turn he is recruited, he'll be untapped at the start of your next turn and your predator takes control. Then his predator will take control and so on. Yay, you just wasted 1 pool. I guess you could count on the fact that his moving upstream is inevitable and you could red list rush, as others have suggested. I recently saw Informant get put to that use and it seemed to work out pretty well. Even better than Smith for such a use because it's free and not unique. So, umm, I can't think of any good reason to even bother with Smith. Sorrow

librarian wrote: > Anyone have a good use for the ally Caiaphas Smith? I guess you could > Bum's Rush with him every turn... lobotomise him as you recruit him, and then...umm...well, that solves the problem of losing him the turn after you recruit him, at least.... -- salem

[ quoted text not captured ] Or have a Remover tap him. Or use Steal the Mind, Art's Traumatic Essence, or Recurring Comtemplation to tap him. Or block with him before your next untap phase.

In message <QdCdndZWkc2uJYzV...@comcast.com>, Sorrow <jcb...@yahoo.com> writes: >I recently saw >Informant get put to that use and it seemed to work out pretty well. Even >better than Smith for such a use because it's free and not unique. So, umm, >I can't think of any good reason to even bother with Smith. *clutching at straws* Ishtarri implies Fortitude, implies Freak Drive/Forced March, implies multi-acting. So you can get an Informant and Caiaphas in one turn with the same minion. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

I have seen Caiaphis red listed. It is real tricky. I supose you could use Left for Dead. I like Heaven's Gate better. There are a lot of titled 4-6 caps. Wedge

[ quoted text not captured ] > aucti...@superfuncards.com I've seen him Red Listed (who hasn't, after all?) and moving upstream. But yes, if you want to USE him, as stated above, the question would be how to keep him. Something that hasn't been stated above is recruiting him with The Summoning. Then he can act that very turn, thus remaining your minion without having to block tricky, unknown actions by other Methuselahs.

My solution was to give him Talbot's Chainsaw.

"dog$" <011...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:5efd9b51-aa50-4c77...@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... > My solution was to give him Talbot's Chainsaw. Huh! You'd have to have untapped and able to act in a turn to (normally) give him Talbot's Chainsaw. If you had him untapped and able to act, you've already solved the problem without the Chainsaw. Explain. Fred

On Apr 25, 3:06 pm, Calliste <teresavne...@gmail.com> wrote: > Something that hasn't been stated above is > recruiting him with The Summoning. Then he can act that very turn, > thus remaining your minion without having to block tricky, unknown > actions by other Methuselahs. That's not how The Summoning works. Since the vampire playing The Summoning recruits the ally, it goes into your uncontrolled region like any other recruited ally. John Eno

"Sorrow" <jcb...@yahoo.com> writes: > > Anyone have a good use for the ally Caiaphas Smith? > I guess you could count on the fact that his moving upstream is inevitable > and you could red list rush, as others have suggested. I recently saw > Informant get put to that use and it seemed to work out pretty well. Even > better than Smith for such a use because it's free and not unique. So, umm, > I can't think of any good reason to even bother with Smith. If you use Caiaphas Smith, you can play with any clans you like. You don't need Ishtarri. HG

[ quoted text not captured ] Heh, guess who just found out she's been using the card the wrong way all along. Thanks for pointing out that one.

On Apr 24, 9:39 pm, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > Anyone have a good use for the ally Caiaphas Smith? War Ghoul + Khazar's Diary, a deck I first saw by Wes Weston. Ira