I've just finished reading the new FAQ for Jyhad that were posted
in announcements section of the trading cards game newsgroup. I have 3
questions that came to mind when I was reading it.
1) MInor Boon. Does it prevent Amaranth from happening if you play it to
prevent the aggro. dam. from happening?
2) Maneuvers on weapons. Can you use the optional maneuver on your other
weapon after the 1st maneuver on the weapon you wanted to use is cancelled?
(ie:- use the Sat. night Special's maneuver after the .44 Magnum's
manuever is cancelled ) And if yes, which weapon do you have to use for
your strike?
3)Cloak the Gathering . Can you use it on another Meth.'s minion to give
it the +1 stealth? I.e.:- Give your prey's political ally +1 stealth to
bleed his prey during your prey's turn?
Thank's for your time,
CYLEE, Caitiff Justicar
On Sat, 15 Apr 1995, CYLee wrote:
> I've just finished reading the new FAQ for Jyhad that were posted
> in announcements section of the trading cards game newsgroup. I have 3
> questions that came to mind when I was reading it.
>
> 1) MInor Boon. Does it prevent Amaranth from happening if you play it to
> prevent the aggro. dam. from happening?
>
I have the cards in front of me, and it seems that minor boon would take
precedence. Amaranth allows one to diablerize rather than letting the
vampire go to torpor. When minor boon is played, the vampire would not go
to torpor anyway , thus eliminating one of the necessery elements required
for amaranth to be played, that being that the vampire has to be on the
way to torpor.
> 2) Maneuvers on weapons. Can you use the optional maneuver on your other
> weapon after the 1st maneuver on the weapon you wanted to use is cancelled?
> (ie:- use the Sat. night Special's maneuver after the .44 Magnum's
> manuever is cancelled ) And if yes, which weapon do you have to use for
> your strike?
>
I believe this is not possible. Since one is bound to strike with a
weapon after using the manuver on it, and there is only one strike
allowed, I don't see how you could use two weapon manuvers. Perhaps it
would be possible through additional strikes, but I really wouldn't
know. You really should go back to those deer rifles.
> 3)Cloak the Gathering . Can you use it on another Meth.'s minion to give
> it the +1 stealth? I.e.:- Give your prey's political ally +1 stealth to
> bleed his prey during your prey's turn?
>
Cloak the gathering can only give minions you control stealth. I.E. say
your predator's predator had Lydia, with Pulse of the Canaille, and
bonding, or something nasty like that. You could not use CtG to give
Lydia extra stealth, because she does not fit the role of "acting minion
you control"
- tony, Prince of Iowa City
CYLee (cy...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu) wrote:
: I've just finished reading the new FAQ for Jyhad that were posted
: in announcements section of the trading cards game newsgroup. I have 3
: questions that came to mind when I was reading it.: 1) MInor Boon. Does it prevent Amaranth from happening if you play it to
: prevent the aggro. dam. from happening?: 2) Maneuvers on weapons. Can you use the optional maneuver on your other: weapon after the 1st maneuver on the weapon you wanted to use is cancelled?
: (ie:- use the Sat. night Special's maneuver after the .44 Magnum's
: manuever is cancelled ) And if yes, which weapon do you have to use for
: your strike?: 3)Cloak the Gathering . Can you use it on another Meth.'s minion to give: it the +1 stealth? I.e.:- Give your prey's political ally +1 stealth to
: bleed his prey during your prey's turn?: Thank's for your time,
: CYLEE, Caitiff Justicar
Well, the first two are very good questions (well, they all are, but
the first two are the ones I can't answer) but as for the third, I
believe the card reads "usable only by a vampire other than an
acting minion you control to provide that minion with +1 stealth" or
something which requires the acting minion to be under your control.
Check out the card for specifics.
Erik
PS: I thought that caitiff meant "clanless" and therefore would have no
justicar. Though wouldn't it be cool if a bunch of caitiff started their
own rogue beggar-band, dressed in tatters and urchinlike, and one among
them rose into place as their Justicar, and they soon usurped the power
of the camarilla and the sabbat????
That'd be cool.
CYLee (cy...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu) wrote:
: 1) MInor Boon. Does it prevent Amaranth from happening if you play it to
: prevent the aggro. dam. from happening?
Believe so. Not 100% sure on this one though.
: 2) Maneuvers on weapons. Can you use the optional maneuver on your other
: weapon after the 1st maneuver on the weapon you wanted to use is cancelled?
: (ie:- use the Sat. night Special's maneuver after the .44 Magnum's
: manuever is cancelled ) And if yes, which weapon do you have to use for
: your strike?
Absolutely not. Using the inherent maneuver from a weapon restricts your
choice at strike declaration to that weapon and that weapon only; thus,
were you to use the maneuver from another weapon, you would be forced to
use two weapns on the same strike - and that is just not possible.
Now if you had a retainer, and _he_ wanted to use your extra gun and the
maneuver therein, I don't see why that wouldn't be allowed.
: 3)Cloak the Gathering . Can you use it on another Meth.'s minion to give
: it the +1 stealth? I.e.:- Give your prey's political ally +1 stealth to
: bleed his prey during your prey's turn?
CtG is an action modifier, not a reaction. One cannot play action
modifiers when one's minion is not taking the original actions, nor can
one play action modifiers when it is not one's turn.
Shane Travis | Natives who beat drums to drive off evil spirits
sht...@duke.usask.ca | are objects of scorn to Americans who blow horns
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan | to break up traffic jams.
| -- Mary Ellen Kelly
I have been looking over the book "The Eternal Struggle", where
it gives a bunch of tips and ideas for different types of deckbuilding...and
one of the ideas is the "Weenie Madness" deck..which consists of a bunch of
Vampires whose blood capacity is no more than 2.. so you get a lot out
quickly... but i have a BIG problem with what he says in the book...
"... and by the third turn i had EIGHT vampires out! ... "
now WAIT A MINUTE.... even IF you take out the progressive one transfer, then
two transfer... etc. rule at the beginning of the game, and load up half your
deck on effective managements, and have ONLY one blood vampires out.. i REALLY
don't see how in the world you are going to get EIGHT vampires out by the
third turn...
the only thing i can come up with, is that you replace vampires from the crypt
to the inactive region when another becomes active, just as you replace those
library cards in your hand.. and then the "spend one blood and all four
transfers" rule would only be to bring a total of 5 available vamps out from
the crypt instead of 4.... this REALLY doesn't sound right to me.. but i
can't seem to come up with any other explanation. can ANYONE please help me
here??
CYLee (cy...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu) wrote:
: 1) MInor Boon. Does it prevent Amaranth from happening if you play it to
: prevent the aggro. dam. from happening?
It feels like it should. However, the rule on attempts to play cards at
the same time that would negate each other is that the acting minion's
Methuseleh cards go first, followed by the blocker, followed by other
Methuselehs.
Hence if the acting Meth plays Amaranth, it will go off before any Meth
can play Minor Boon, and there's no vampire to Boon. If the blocker plays
it, only the acting Methuseleh could play Minor Boon first, and he can't
play it on his own vampire.
So Amaranth wins.
Curt Adams (curt...@aol.com)
John Lawrence Ross (ross...@arctic.uucp) wrote:
: I have been looking over the book "The Eternal Struggle", where: it gives a bunch of tips and ideas for different types of deckbuilding...and
: one of the ideas is the "Weenie Madness" deck..which consists of a bunch of
: Vampires whose blood capacity is no more than 2.. so you get a lot out
: quickly... but i have a BIG problem with what he says in the book...: "... and by the third turn i had EIGHT vampires out! ... ": WAIT A MINUTE.... even IF you take out the progressive one transfer, then
: two transfer. etc. rule at the beginning of the game, and load up half your
: deck on effective m'gements, and have ONLY one blood vampires out.. i
: don't see how in the world you are going to get EIGHT vampires out by the
: third turn...: the only thing i can come up with, is that you replace vampires from the crypt
: to the inactive region when another becomes active, just as you replace those
: library cards in your hand.. and then the "spend one blood and all four
: transfers" rule would only be to bring a total of 5 available vamps out from
: the crypt instead of 4.... this REALLY doesn't sound right to me.. but i
: can't seem to come up with any other explanation. can ANYONE please help me
: here??
Hmm...let's see. I think the optimal situation would be (assuming you
either went 4th in a 4+ player game or didn't use the "start with 1
transfer" rule)...
TURN 1: You start with 4 Caitiff in your uncontrolled region. Play Info
Highway. Bring out 2 vamps (2T/2P) and spend 4T/1P for another.
TURN 2: Play Effective Management (you now have 3 Caitiff down). For
influence, bring out 2 more vamps and spend 4T/1P for another.
TURN 3: Play E.M. Do the same thing.
All Six Caitiff by turn 3, but that's the best I can do. I don't know how
Rumors of Gehenna works, but you could prob use that to increase the num
of E.M.s you could play. Bringing out Koko would let you use Kindred
Intelligence...
--
Meow!
In article <3mr6ig$a...@tribune.usask.ca>,
Shane Hamish William Travis <sht...@duke.usask.ca> wrote:
>CYLee (cy...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu) wrote:
>: 2) Maneuvers on weapons. Can you use the optional maneuver on your other
>: weapon after the 1st maneuver on the weapon you wanted to use is cancelled?
>: (ie:- use the Sat. night Special's maneuver after the .44 Magnum's
>: manuever is cancelled ) And if yes, which weapon do you have to use for
>: your strike?
>
>Absolutely not. Using the inherent maneuver from a weapon restricts your
>choice at strike declaration to that weapon and that weapon only; thus,
>were you to use the maneuver from another weapon, you would be forced to
>use two weapns on the same strike - and that is just not possible.
>
>Now if you had a retainer, and _he_ wanted to use your extra gun and the
>maneuver therein, I don't see why that wouldn't be allowed.
In general, retainers can't use equipment or deal damage in combat.
Ghoul Retainer may be able to get away with using another weapon's
maneuver.
>: 3)Cloak the Gathering . Can you use it on another Meth.'s minion to give
>: it the +1 stealth? I.e.:- Give your prey's political ally +1 stealth to
>: bleed his prey during your prey's turn?
>
>CtG is an action modifier, not a reaction. One cannot play action
>modifiers when one's minion is not taking the original actions, nor can
>one play action modifiers when it is not one's turn.
Action modifiers can be played when it's not your turn, but they do
still have to modify your own minion's actions, so the only way you
could play them on someone else's turn in through MMN.
--
J. Hunter Johnson jhun...@io.com (Illuminati Online)
jeff.j...@columbiasc.attgis.com (Windows Desktop)
"Unlike entirely too many of what I'm told are members of my species,
I haven't opened my mind far enough for my brain to fall out." - D. Heffernan
sht...@duke.usask.ca (Shane Hamish William Travis) writes:
>CYLee (cy...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu) wrote:>: 1) MInor Boon. Does it prevent Amaranth from happening if you play it to
>: prevent the aggro. dam. from happening?>Believe so. Not 100% sure on this one though.
No. Minor Boon does not prevent the damage from happening.
The acting player's card has precedence. If she plays Amaranth, then the
blocker is burned. If she plays Minor Boon (under a house rule allowing
Master-Out-of-Turn cards to be played, or if she were controlling a
Malkavian who was taking an action on someboidy else's turn via Madness
Network), then Amaranth could not be played, as the blocker is no longer
going to torpor.
>: 2) Maneuvers on weapons. Can you use the optional maneuver on your other
>: weapon after the 1st maneuver on the weapon you wanted to use is cancelled?
>: (ie:- use the Sat. night Special's maneuver after the .44 Magnum's
>: manuever is cancelled ) And if yes, which weapon do you have to use for
>: your strike?>Absolutely not. Using the inherent maneuver from a weapon restricts your
>choice at strike declaration to that weapon and that weapon only; thus,
>were you to use the maneuver from another weapon, you would be forced to
>use two weapns on the same strike - and that is just not possible.>Now if you had a retainer, and _he_ wanted to use your extra gun and the
>maneuver therein, I don't see why that wouldn't be allowed.
Retainers (specifically Ghoul Retainers) who use weapons may not contribute
manuevers. Sorry.
>: 3)Cloak the Gathering . Can you use it on another Meth.'s minion to give
>: it the +1 stealth? I.e.:- Give your prey's political ally +1 stealth to
>: bleed his prey during your prey's turn?>CtG is an action modifier, not a reaction. One cannot play action
>modifiers when one's minion is not taking the original actions, nor can
>one play action modifiers when it is not one's turn.
True.
-----
L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu)
Graphics Specialist and Jyhad Rules Monger.
[ quoted text not captured ]>>CYLee (cy...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu) wrote:[ quoted text not captured ]>True.
Except that Action Mods are not restricted to ones' own turn - only one's own
actions. (Thanks, JHJ).
[ quoted text not captured ]
John Lawrence Ross (ross...@arctic.uucp) wrote:
: I have been looking over the book "The Eternal Struggle", where
: it gives a bunch of tips and ideas for different types of deckbuilding...and
: one of the ideas is the "Weenie Madness" deck..which consists of a bunch of
: Vampires whose blood capacity is no more than 2.. so you get a lot out
: quickly... but i have a BIG problem with what he says in the book...: "... and by the third turn i had EIGHT vampires out! ... ": now WAIT A MINUTE.... even IF you take out the progressive one transfer, then
: two transfer... etc. rule at the beginning of the game, and load up half your
: deck on effective managements, and have ONLY one blood vampires out.. i REALLY: don't see how in the world you are going to get EIGHT vampires out by the
: third turn...: the only thing i can come up with, is that you replace vampires from the crypt
: to the inactive region when another becomes active, just as you replace those
: library cards in your hand.. and then the "spend one blood and all four
: transfers" rule would only be to bring a total of 5 available vamps out from
: the crypt instead of 4.... this REALLY doesn't sound right to me.. but i
: can't seem to come up with any other explanation. can ANYONE please help me
: here??
Information Superhighway gives more transfers!!!! And maybe they were
exaggerating in the book.
Erik
J. Hunter Johnson <jhun...@pentagon.io.com> wrote:
>In general, retainers can't use equipment or deal damage in combat.
>Ghoul Retainer may be able to get away with using another weapon's
>maneuver.
Ghould Retainer can strike with a weapon, but wouldn't be able to use it
to maneuver.
Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for
aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
In article <Pine.A32.3.91.950415...@red.weeg.uiowa.edu>,
CYLee <cy...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:
>2) Maneuvers on weapons. Can you use the optional maneuver on your other
>weapon after the 1st maneuver on the weapon you wanted to use is cancelled?
>(ie:- use the Sat. night Special's maneuver after the .44 Magnum's
>manuever is cancelled ) And if yes, which weapon do you have to use for
>your strike?
From the rules, 15.1 Combat Sequence, section Choose Strike:
"...you cannot use more than one weapon or strike card to get more
maneuvers."
>3)Cloak the Gathering . Can you use it on another Meth.'s minion to give
>it the +1 stealth? I.e.:- Give your prey's political ally +1 stealth to
>bleed his prey during your prey's turn?
You can only use action modifiers on your own minion's actions.
| If you've got a hot lead on a new | *--Joe--*
| PC game, call the announce line at | js...@vt.edu
| ** csi...@discus.ise.vt.edu ** |
+-------------------------------------+----------------------------------
"Carnivores, oy!" -- Timon, TLK
In article <3mt08g$c...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
CurtAdams <curt...@aol.com> wrote:
>CYLee (cy...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu) wrote:
>: 1) MInor Boon. Does it prevent Amaranth from happening if you play it to
>: prevent the aggro. dam. from happening?
>>It feels like it should. However, the rule on attempts to play cards at
>the same time that would negate each other is that the acting minion's
>Methuseleh cards go first, followed by the blocker, followed by other
>Methuselehs.
I think Minor Boon is more akin to the damage-preventing cards,
and there *is* the opportunity to play those to stop the Amaranth (you
have to be going to torpor, and if that is stopped, you can't play
Amaranth). You can't gloss by a sub-phase, and if I want to play a card
in the damage prevention sub-phase, you can't stomp on me with Amaranth.
While we both try to play them at the same physical time, you have to
wait to play Amaranth until the damage prevention sub-phase is gone.
So, I would say that Minor Boon *does* prevent Amaranth.
[ quoted text not captured ]
> : "... and by the third turn i had EIGHT vampires out! ... "
It's possible...
Turn 1: Effective Management; influence 4 weenies
Turn 2: Effective Management; 4 weenies each do an Embrace; bring out
two more weenies
Turn 3: 10 weenies out...
;-)
papillo the improbable
Bob Ellison (pap...@fc.hp.com) wrote:
: > : "... and by the third turn i had EIGHT vampires out! ... "
: It's possible...
[ quoted text not captured ]
Only problem with this is that last I checked, Embrace cost 2 blood from
the acting vampire. Being weenies, they will only have one blood each
and be unable to pay this cost.
[ quoted text not captured ]
pki...@netcom.com (Purple Kitty) writes:
>: don't see how in the world you are going to get EIGHT vampires out by the
>: third turn...>Hmm...let's see. I think the optimal situation would be (assuming you>either went 4th in a 4+ player game or didn't use the "start with 1
>transfer" rule)...>All Six Caitiff by turn 3, but that's the best I can do. I don't know how>Rumors of Gehenna works, but you could prob use that to increase the num
>of E.M.s you could play. Bringing out Koko would let you use Kindred
>Intelligence..
If you get to begin with four transfers:
Turn 1: 4 Caitiffs down, play info highway, bring out 2 caitiffs and
buy 1 more. You now have three Caitiffs down and two up.
Turn 2: Play EM, you now have four caitiffs down and two up. Bring out
two caitiffs and buy one more. You now have four caitiffs up and three
down.
Turn 3a: Play another EM, you now have four Caitiffs up and four down.
In your influence phase you get four Caitiffs up totaling eight. You
could even have two capacity 2 vampires in addition.
But I don't see this happening "usually".
If you begin with fewer transfers then this should be figured anew.
The two extra transfers at the end suggest that you could do it.
))marko
--
I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous.