rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

Blind Spot vs imbued?

12 messages from 8 participants · 02 April 2007 – 03 April 2007
original thread on Google Groups

Klai...@gmail.com

Does Blind Spot prevent an imbued chosen for blind spot from using reactionary powers when the chosen vampire is acting? Such as Champion for example.

Bram Vink

[ quoted text not captured ] Yep. Reaction powers can be used when you can play reactions. When you cannot, you cannot use your reaction powers. So whereas on the qui vive allows the use of these powers, blind spot denies said use. Cheers, B

islando...@aol.com

On Apr 2, 2:21 pm, "Bram Vink" <jja.v...@hccnet.nl> wrote: > On 2 apr, 23:12, Klaita...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Does Blind Spot prevent an imbued chosen for blind spot from using > > reactionary powers when the chosen vampire is acting? Such as Champion > > for example. > > Yep. Reaction powers can be used when you can play reactions. When you > cannot, you cannot use your reaction powers. I agree that they use the same timing window, but Blind Spot says specifically "reaction cards", and powers are not reaction cards. > So whereas on the qui vive allows the use of these powers, blind spot > denies said use. OtQV allows you to play reactions, including powers? I'm not sure either way here, but I wouldn't be surprised. However, card text on Blind Spot is clear; reaction cards. -- Brian

James Coupe

In message <1175572712.6...@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, [ quoted text not captured ] It's similarly clear on OtQV. Only usable by a tapped minion. This reacting minion can play reaction cards and attempt to block as though untapped until the current action is concluded. However, when a reaction card can be played, a reaction power can be used: <http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/ be701b4b6dbb0a21> It says that the Reaction symbol indicates when the power can be used. Meaning that the reaction symbol says that the power can be used whenever a reaction card may be. [LSJ 20060911] Since Blind Spot bans reaction cards from that minion, it seems logical to assume that it also bans reaction-based powers. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

Bram Vink

[ quoted text not captured ] Yep, and as per James' comment: Allowing or disallowing the playing of reaction cards, also enables/disables the possibility of using reaction-style powers. You can use these powers whenever you can play a reaction card. Cheers, Bram

LSJ

James Coupe wrote: > In message <1175572712.6...@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > islando...@aol.com writes: >> On Apr 2, 2:21 pm, "Bram Vink" <jja.v...@hccnet.nl> wrote: >>> So whereas on the qui vive allows the use of these powers, blind spot >>> denies said use. >> OtQV allows you to play reactions, including powers? I'm not sure >> either way here, but I wouldn't be surprised. However, card text on >> Blind Spot is clear; reaction cards. > > It's similarly clear on OtQV. > > Only usable by a tapped minion. This reacting minion can play > reaction cards and attempt to block as though untapped until the > current action is concluded. > > However, when a reaction card can be played, a reaction power can be > used: <http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/ > be701b4b6dbb0a21> > > It says that the Reaction symbol indicates when the power can be > used. Meaning that the reaction symbol says that the power can > be used whenever a reaction card may be. [LSJ 20060911] > > Since Blind Spot bans reaction cards from that minion, it seems logical > to assume that it also bans reaction-based powers. Correct.

as...@hotmail.com

On 3 Apr, 12:46, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > James Coupe wrote: > > In message <1175572712.669596.139...@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, [ quoted text not captured ] > Correct.- Dölj citerad text - > > - Visa citerad text - Is not this kind of inconsistent compared to strike/strike card? Would it not be better with consistency?

Sorrow

>>> So whereas on the qui vive allows the use of these powers, blind spot >>> denies said use. >> OtQV allows you to play reactions, including powers? I'm not sure >> either way here, but I wouldn't be surprised. However, card text on >> Blind Spot is clear; reaction cards. > Only usable by a tapped minion. This reacting minion can play > reaction cards and attempt to block as though untapped until the > current action is concluded. How do you reconcile the conflict in general where one card denies a particular thing but another allows it's use? Does the deny always override the allow? Sorrow --- "..and most surprisingly of all - hardly any shock value. How can you make a film about bumping uglies with the dead and yet lack shock value?"

LSJ

as...@hotmail.com wrote: > On 3 Apr, 12:46, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >> James Coupe wrote: >>> It says that the Reaction symbol indicates when the power can be >>> used. Meaning that the reaction symbol says that the power can >>> be used whenever a reaction card may be. [LSJ 20060911] >>> Since Blind Spot bans reaction cards from that minion, it seems logical >>> to assume that it also bans reaction-based powers. >> Correct. > Is not this kind of inconsistent compared to strike/strike card? How do you see it as inconsistent?

LSJ

Sorrow wrote: >>>> So whereas on the qui vive allows the use of these powers, blind spot >>>> denies said use. >>> OtQV allows you to play reactions, including powers? I'm not sure >>> either way here, but I wouldn't be surprised. However, card text on >>> Blind Spot is clear; reaction cards. >> Only usable by a tapped minion. This reacting minion can play >> reaction cards and attempt to block as though untapped until the >> current action is concluded. > > How do you reconcile the conflict in general where one card denies a > particular thing but another allows it's use? Does the deny always override > the allow? Here there's no conflict. One effect allows reaction cards "as if untapped". But that doesn't allow reaction cards' requirements to be overlooked, for example. If the minion couldn't play the reaction card if he were untapped, then, when tapped, On the Qui Vive's effect is not sufficient to allow the use, since it only allows the use "as if untapped".

adam....@gmail.com

[ quoted text not captured ] Wait... what happened to the original question (disregarding the On the Que Vie stuff)? If you play blind spot on an UNtapped imbued with champion, can he use Champion? (since its a reaction power and is not Playing a reaction card). I'm guessing I missed the answer somewhere...

LSJ

adam....@gmail.com wrote: > Wait... what happened to the original question (disregarding the On > the Que Vie stuff)? > > If you play blind spot on an UNtapped imbued with champion, can he use > Champion? (since its a reaction power and is not Playing a reaction > card). > > I'm guessing I missed the answer somewhere... http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/df9843dbc7ffd17d