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Q- LSJ. Vessel vs Secure Haven

5 messages from 3 participants · 11 August 2009
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SteveHarris

If Meth A plays a Vessel and decides to burn a blood doll on Vampire 1 controlled by Meth B, and Vampire 1 has a Secure Haven, does Meth A pay 1 more pool for Vessel? Name: Vessel Cardtype: Master Cost: 1 pool Master: trifle. Put this card on a vampire, and you may burn a Blood Doll in play (if any). During this vampire's controller's untap phase, he or she may move 1 blood from this vampire to his or her pool or from his or her pool to this vampire. Name: Secure Haven Cardtype: Master Cost: 1 pool Master: unique location. Haven. Put this card on a minion you control. This minion cannot be -{the target of other Methuselahs' actions}-. Any Methuselah burns an additional pool when playing master cards on (or that target) this minion. Burn this card if this minion enters torpor. A minion may have only one haven.

Dasein

[ quoted text not captured ] No I don't think so. Vessel targets the Blood Doll card, not the minion. Same with say Tier of Souls. If I have a Tier of Souls on my guy, and you try to burn it, I can't play Detect Authority at ani, nor would I be able to get +1 intercept from Communal Haven: Temple. Targeting cards placed on a minion != targeting the minion itself. At least I'm pretty sure.

LSJ

Dasein wrote: > On Aug 11, 11:32 pm, SteveHarris <steveharris1...@gmail.com> wrote: >> If Meth A plays a Vessel and decides to burn a blood doll on Vampire 1 >> controlled by Meth B, and Vampire 1 has a Secure Haven, does Meth A >> pay 1 more pool for Vessel? >> > No I don't think so. Vessel targets the Blood Doll card, not the > minion. Correct. Similarly, a minion can use Arson to burn the Secure Haven. > Same with say Tier of Souls. If I have a Tier of Souls on my guy, and > you try to burn it, I can't play Detect Authority at ani, nor would I > be able to get +1 intercept from Communal Haven: Temple. Targeting > cards placed on a minion != targeting the minion itself. > At least I'm pretty sure. Correct.

SteveHarris

On Aug 11, 11:42 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > Dasein wrote: > > On Aug 11, 11:32 pm, SteveHarris <steveharris1...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> If Meth A plays a Vessel and decides to burn a blood doll on Vampire 1 > >> controlled by Meth B, and Vampire 1 has a Secure Haven, does Meth A > >> pay 1 more pool for Vessel? > > > No I don't think so. Vessel targets the Blood Doll card, not the > > minion. > > Correct. Similarly, a minion can use Arson to burn the Secure Haven. Thanks. What about a card like Mesmerize? Does that target the minion or the equipment? Mesmerize +1 stealth action. [dom] (D) Steal equipment from an ally. [DOM] (D) Steal equipment from a younger vampire.

LSJ

SteveHarris wrote: > Thanks. What about a card like Mesmerize? Does that target the > minion or the equipment? > > Mesmerize > +1 stealth action. [dom] (D) Steal equipment from an ally. [DOM] (D) > Steal equipment from a younger vampire. It targets equipment.