[LSJ] Undirected actions

Does every undirected action have a default +1 stealth, even if it is not written on the card ? like black metamorphosis, baltimore purge ? i believe no, as by the rules all actions have a default stealth of 0, unless noted otherwise on the card. right ? A D action (which has a default stealth of 0) that targets a card you control, becomes undirected. Does this give such an action +1 stealth ? or does it become an undirected action of 0 stealth ? A guy supports that case, i am not sure what it is true. This is one of the few rules of the game that we haven't verified. What i believe, although i am not sure, is that it just becomes an undirected action of 0 stealth. The only exception is the rescue a vampire of yours from torpor action, which becomes undirected and get a default +1 stealth by the rules. I don't believe that there is a rule who says that every D action that becomes undirected gains 1 stealth...

On 1 Nov 2004 01:40:48 -0800, Jyhad_addict <geo...@for.auth.gr> wrote: > Does every undirected action have a default +1 stealth, even if it is > not written on the card ? like black metamorphosis, baltimore purge ? No. > i believe no, as by the rules all actions have a default stealth of 0, > unless noted otherwise on the card. right ? Yes. If the action description does not mention stealth, it has no stealth. > A D action (which has a default stealth of 0) that targets a card you > control, > becomes undirected. Does this give such an action +1 stealth ? or does > it become an undirected action of 0 stealth ? The latter. > A guy supports that case, i am not sure what it is true. > This is one of the few rules of the game that we haven't verified. > > What i believe, although i am not sure, is that it just becomes an > undirected action of 0 stealth. The only exception is the rescue a > vampire of yours from torpor action, which becomes undirected and get > a default +1 stealth by the rules. > I don't believe that there is a rule who says that every D action > that becomes undirected gains 1 stealth... Right. The examples that make people think that when a stealthless (D) action is directed at yourself it gains +1 stealth are the inherent vampiric actions described in the rulebook. Diablerie and Rescue Torpor are both stealthless (D) actions when directed at someone else, and +1 stealth undirected actions when directed at the self. These are, however, the exceptions, and not the rule. -- Bye, Daneel

"Daneel" <dan...@eposta.hu> wrote in message news:opsgr8ie...@news.chello.hu... > On 1 Nov 2004 01:40:48 -0800, Jyhad_addict <geo...@for.auth.gr> wrote: > > Does every undirected action have a default +1 stealth, even if it is > > not written on the card ? like black metamorphosis, baltimore purge ? > No. > > > i believe no, as by the rules all actions have a default stealth of 0, > > unless noted otherwise on the card. right ? > Yes. If the action description does not mention stealth, it has no stealth. Correct. http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulebook/rulebook.html#sec6_1_6 > > A D action (which has a default stealth of 0) that targets a card you > > control, > > becomes undirected. Does this give such an action +1 stealth ? or does > > it become an undirected action of 0 stealth ? > > The latter. Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu